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War no more

To the first caller: Forget it, the drug war is over. You’re not going to lock up any more people than you’ve already got locked up. It’s just not feasible anymore. And it’s not about the drugs. Guess who’s the biggest drug dealer? Big pharma. Guess who’s the biggest consumer of those drugs? The elderly.

Mitts off

I’m calling about this column in the paper where politicians want to take money out of Social Security. They’ve been borrowing out of it for years. This is a trust fund paid in by the American working people, and it should be so, and they can keep their sticky fingers out of it.

Not so safe

The St. Joe newspaper put out an article a few days back about it being one of the safest cities in the state of Missouri to live in. That’s a bold-faced lie. Because I got on the internet and I read the FBI report of the safest cities to live in here in Missouri and St. Joe was nowhere on the list.

Editor’s note: We reported Aug. 20 that Maryville was listed as one of the safest cities in Missouri, according to one study.

Watching China

Walmart’s move will make China very happy, because China supplies 95 percent of all Walmart merchandise. And China would be happy if all of our guns and ammo were taken away, because China is the country we’ll have to watch in the future. They’re a dangerous bunch, and the people in our government should be smart enough to know that.

Online study

I had a wake-up call today. I talked to students from Maryville, and these poor kids are paying $200 a month to do their work online. What’s wrong with this picture? I don’t know what the rest of colleges charge, but my God, these are young kids trying to better themselves and get their education, and the parents are probably the ones paying for it. So wake up, Maryville. This is totally ridiculous. These kids are being punished for wanting to become doctors and lawyers or whatever they want to be.

No more laws

We have gun control laws. We do not need more. Just enforce what we have. They want to take our guns away, that’s obvious. When you take our guns away, the next thing will be homemade bombs. You have to go to the core of a problem first before you can solve it. You need to find out why people have so many hateful feelings because something didn’t go the way they wanted. Instead of taking guns away, take TV and the internet away — they even show you how to make bombs on the internet, but not guns.

(172) comments

zzsnot303

is it donut time yet ???

REM541

Might want to read the comment on the ping poll today about stores being allowed to stop open carry in their store. I know it's a typo but............[beam]

zzsnot303

any business has the option of not allowing weapons inside, but it must be posted on the outside. just like the post office, government buildings etc

REM541

Evidently that one went over your head.[smile]

zzsnot303

REM.. moist likely, i wake at 4am to start my day

aj0201

zz, it seems to me you’re quite familiar with hypocrisy shown by those that typically consider themselves to be conservative Christians. Maybe I don’t, and probably don’t, understand the full issue, but it appears that your belief system changed due to that. What are your thoughts then about evangelicals that set aside their morality for a womanizer?

zzsnot303

aj... i have no patience for being annoyed or inconvenienced..PERIOD... an over abundance of ANY subject is annoying. i don't ask a zillion questions like you ...abortion: it's a woman's choice, not mine.. guns: nobody is taking my guns... religion..i don't subscribe to religion or churches or bible, i just believe in a higher power..i don't need a pastor to tell me that.. womanizer...no matter how, you'll not change me or my habits; what works for me doesn't work for you..that's ok... as i posted earlier, my belief in religion per se changed many years ago and i found i didn't need it to be successful. people are who they are...you...munchie...colo...and so on. i find it delightful when an evangelical is agast at my lifestyle... and btw i know a few couples that practice master/slave in their life...and they are very happy with that. so be it...i could say slavery is not dead..but it's a choice those people make and it doesn't involve religion at all...ask for more if you want

aj0201

Thanks for the reply. I find it interesting, legitimately, that the issue with a previous pastor resulted in a lifestyle of moral relativism. And seriously, that isn’t a jab at you.

zzsnot303

no problem !!

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zzsnot303

oh yeah...we love threesomes occasionally..not continually. us two men and her live together, play together...

Colo

I like your life style

zzsnot303

hahaha me tooooo

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zzsnot303

do tell !!!! WAIT..better not since this is a public forum....

zzsnot303

btw aj...i convince other men's wives...i don't steal them. that's how really good i am in my chosen lifestyle lol

zzsnot303

the smile, the twinkle of mischief in my eye, and being so so handsome, how could any woman resist me ?

aj0201

Easy women. I know one who could resist.

zzsnot303

hopefully the evangelical is a pretty woman...oops

aj0201

Judge Andrew Napolitano—-“After years of faithless Congresses legally but unconstitutionally ceding power to the presidency, we have arrived where we are today -- a president who spends unappropriated funds, raises taxes, defies courts and changes immigration laws on his own. I have written before that the Republicans who rejoice in this will weep over it when a Democrat is in the White House. No president should have unconstitutional powers.“

James Bond1

aj0201...……...we put up with a President for 8 years who spent "unappropriated funds". I recall he had US Currency on a pallet that went out at mid-night. Do you suppose he had other "unconstitutional powers". ( I do)

Marty_Chuzzlewit

Not to mention his supernatural powers of causing the oceans to recede and healing the planet!!

Colo

Yes & Lying Donnie Dementia will become a Weather forecaster who will Track Hurricanes through Greenland!!! Obama was a Real President that Didn’t need the Russians to win 2 Elections

munchman

You just showed how much intelligence you have to argue with adults.

aj0201

Wrong James.

Colo

It will be an Amazing day if James ever gets anything correct! 🤡🙄😱

James Bond1

aj0201...……….would you please explain to COLO that I am 100% accurate> He needs that help.

Colo

Jamesbond is Spewing Fake False rumors about America’s Last Real President!! This Lying Moron Russian Puppet we have now will be facing 21 Criminal Investigations in NY State when he’s thrown out of the WH next year. He’s definitely been America’s Worst Failure ever & definitely the Dumbest President in History!!!

zzsnot303

Colo for President 2020 ... !!!

zzsnot303

ok i changed my mind..let's make munchman President..well, one day anyways...

James Bond1

President of what...……………? (which cess pool)

Colo

Thanks Zz... AJ is the best candidate!! Jamesbond can be Dogcatcher

munchman

Gee Jiminy are you uninformed or just plain stupid or have terminal cognitive dissonance. The 400 million on the pallets in the airplane was 400 million paid to the U.S

zzsnot303

somebody got something....(money)... least one of the squad said it

James Bond1

Yeh, that is a government policy to meet at mid-night and find US Currency on a pallet. Maybe some one was getting a return from the IRS...…….is that how they do business...? I think I'll rent an Airplane and wait by the streetlight and see how much they deliver to me.

aj0201

James showing yet again that ignorance know no end.

munchman

Sorry I Don't know why I had a premature posting. I don't know why anybody would not want to check out the truth about something when the posting unless the lie fits their beliefs. The money on the plane is money sent to us for armaments right before the revolution. It was theirs stupid. The 180 billion returned were their assets we seized after the revolution. You have now credibility with anybody who recognizes your a liar, Maybe your fellow cognitive dissonant friends think you are more the a tin horn, fluctuating in a hurricane,

Colo

Fake Noise Jamesbond... You’re really Confused about Real President Obama returning Iran’s Money to Iran. Brilliant Obama didn’t give up any US $$

munchman

Limited brain function leads to short sightedness.

beelog

Lots of boasting about being Christian this morning. Doesn't that mean being kind to one another? We are all fellow travelers on the road to eternity. We should be helping one another along if we are true to our faith, shouldn't we?

zzsnot303

strangely, religion seems to have taken over IYC ...

munchman

It's always infected it Snot.

zzsnot303

i get all tingly when munchman calls me "snot"....

aj0201

Then be honest bee. Try having an honest discussion rather than attempting to rattle cages.

munchman

You mean liking helping not criminalizing those who seek asylum for fear for their lives, Where is your Zombie savior at the border where infants are criminalized for their race and nationality and put into Kiddie Stalags, Wouldn't rising up and rebelling against such dastardly actions be more true to your faith, or is your faith like your privlege for whites only.

popski

War no more...you miss the point entirely. There's nothing wrong with drugs, per se. Many drugs are very beneficial to us all...not just the elderly. The PROBLEM, my poor deluded friend, is ABUSING drugs...or using them in a way or a dosage that is not intended. I totally disagree with your ignorant diatribe. Drug abuse is bad for our society and people who abuse drugs should be locked up...

beelog

War no more---(drug abuse)---Are you suggesting "surrender"?

munchman

I am since it is an unwinnable imaginary war. You idiots think climate scientist do their research to only get grants while billions upon billions have been spent fighting this imaginary war ever since Air America and the Cia started importing smack from the golden triangle and refining into crack to addict ghetto folks. I don't need to read this history I was a part of it.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

Now we know....it was the CIA that got munchman addicted to mind-altering drugs

munchman

No it was a naked hippie chick. Something you know nothing about. When the said "Summer of Love" Fuzznuts thought they said Dove and went hunting.

beelog

I believe in God. I oppose abortion. I see no reason to punish law-abiding citizens who do not misuse guns because there are a few "nuts" running around. Of all the causes of death in this country, death by gun is last on the list. Many, many more deaths are self-inflicted through alcohol and tobacco abuse. Democrats focus on the least-likely cause of death in this country while ignoring the number 1 cause of death which is abortion.

aj0201

Tobacco is highly regulated.

zzsnot303

i believe in a higher being.. call it whatever you choose-God, Jesus, Savior, Lord..whatever....i DON'T pray or read the bible or attend any church..i believe if i need a higher power, it will be bestowed.. some will disagree but i live my life on MY terms...do NOT come knocking on my door

munchman

Sorry my life is very satisfying without imaginary friends.

beelog

I am accused of pontificating on this forum. Yet I see those accusers doing exactly the same thing. Typically, they believe any discussion which disagrees with viewpoint should be labeled negatively. Look at your own posts. They are full of declarative sentences which "could" be labeled as "pontificating". They find it abominable when someone disagrees with their "lofty wisdom". I could care less what they think and the labels they use for those who disagree with their opinions, and behave as if this forum had some great impact on Democrat or Republican policies. Advice---no one is listening to you except a handful of fellow posters.

aj0201

Just engage in the discussion. And quit thinking of it as “rattling cages.” That seems as if you are the one with lofty ideals. Stirring the pot and then watching it unfold in front of you.

REM541

That's all he has, like trump.

munchman

Each and every day it is more and more apparent that t rump is coming off the rails. Consider his lie about phone calls from China trying to get the negotiations going on his trade war. His own staff admitted that it was a lie and he was trying to influence the stock market, Which if it matter to and of you Connie's is a violation of another Federal law. Too bad the National Weather Service and the New York Stock Exchange don't have impeachment powers.

munchman

Why are conservatives not ashamed when t rump blatantly lies like he did yesterday about the course of direction of Dorian to Alabama. He showed a weather map that was time stamped last weekend and said it was the latest map showing that Alabama was threatened like he reported from his from his toilet sunday morning. I'm sure it doesn't bother you one bit that he broke federal law by altering the map with a magic marker and giving a false weather forecast. What he did was present Fake News, a term he coined to divert attention from his failings, by presenting alternative facts (another t rumpian term) which are plain and simply LIES.

beelog

Munch---Are you trying to say you don't like Trump?

aj0201

Why can’t you just answer his question?

beelog

I didn't see a question mark in his post.

aj0201

Poor punctuation. Reread the first sentence. Read the whole post. It’s obviously a question for Trump supporters.

REM541

Can't get anything by you strumpet.

munchman

No just point out what honest people see and that is he is a pathological liar. There are none so conservative as those who will not see,

REM541

Munchman as long as trump doesn't wear a tan suit he's fine. Oh, or go to Hawaii to practice his spaghetti monster religion.

Colo

Or surpass 20,000 Lies in 3 years

popski

Merely your opinion, munchman. First, I don't believe using a marker on a weather map violates federal law. You'll have to prove that one. Secondly, Dorian has not lived up to very many predictions...so if the President was wrong in his assessment, he's in the company of a great many weather professionals who have also been wrong. Seems to me you are desperately LOOKING for things about which to criticize the President. Oh...and I might suggest...being wrong doesn't automatically equate to being a liar...

REM541

Well you would be wrong. 18 U.S. Code 2074 is the law he broke, punishable by a fine, 90 days in jail or both. However I think when it's all done trump would be happy with that. The stable genius broke the law. Oh I forgot, not one professional said it would get anywhere near Alabama. But all that aside, the problem is not that he misspoke, but that he got on TV with a doctored map to try and convince his deplorable base that he was right. That's the problem and if people don't see it well that's a bigger problem.

aj0201

It won't be considered illegal because it was old information, not a "forecast." That'll be my guess. But he did try to point out how he was right by altering that map. His approval rating would rise 10 points if ever just humbly admitted he was wrong. It is not in his moral makeup to do so.

popski

First of all...did you see the President draw the sharpie line, extending the possible path of Dorian? Additionally, are you not aware that the US Weather Service had ALREADY indicated that was a possible path of the storm? The President didn't say, with certainty, that Dorian WAS going to go that direction...although he did reiterate what the US Weather Service said was possible.

I don't see the problem here...except that many of you take great delight in finding any fault whatsoever with the President. In fact, your grasping at THIS made me laugh out loud!! Yeah...I'm laughing at you!!

aj0201

Wrong.....”When Trump posted his incorrect tweet on Sunday, local meteorologists like James Spann refuted it right away. Spann, a veteran Alabama forecaster who is widely respected for his coverage of tornado outbreaks, responded to Trump at 11:31 a.m. and said, "Alabama will not be impacted by Dorian in any way."



When Spann's tweet went viral and a local resident questioned him, the meteorologist later tweeted, "I have zero interest in politics. Dorian will not affect Alabama in any way. That is not a political statement."



The Birmingham, Alabama, branch of the National Weather Service agreed. At 11:11 a.m. ET, the office had tweeted that "Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian. We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east.”

popski

The problem with your argument, aj, is that the National Weather Service's own forecasts, earlier, had included a couple of possible tracks that DID foray into Alabama. In fact, I was worried because one of those tracks took Dorian right across the Florida Panhandle, across Tyndall AFB, where I was stationed, Active Duty...a base that was virtually destroyed last year.

I still say...all this fuss and bluster about the President breaking the law with a false weather report is ludicrous...can we please get back a measure of common sense??

aj0201

Actually, the NHC said that those maps were withdrawn as they were causing confusion.

zzsnot303

We do not, however, yet know who actually did the altering. Trump is just pointing to it in the White House video.

aj0201

He presented it. He owns it.

aj0201

Here’s the text of the law...”Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both.”

Trump issued that map. Now, I don’t believe he issued it as a warning or forecast at the time but he did issue it as an altered, false document. Probably not against the law but his insistence is childish.

zzsnot303

if, in fact, Dorian would have landfall on Florida, it's possible Alabama could have been in the path...BUT what's the difference..it's just a point for complainers to harp on...ANYONE could have used a marker to show where the storm COULD have gone.

Colo

Hahahahaha. Alabama??😱😁🤡🙄.... Brilliant!! 🤡

munchman

Not according to those whose job is to give a truthful forecast. You know those guys who immediately had to rectify the liar in chief's dangerous lie, The National Weather Service.

zzsnot303

Trump displayed the map..he has zero ownership..wrong aj

aj0201

Yes he does. If it indeed is found to be in violation of the law, the moment he took hold and presented it he is complicit in that violation.

munchman

It does if found guilty you can be fined or jailed for not more than 90 days

munchman

If you watch more than Fake Faux yesterday you would have been informed beyond the point where all you can say is "I don't believe. .. " And they also reported it is against FTC rules to try and influence the markets like he did with lie #20078 about ythe China calls.

zzsnot303

the weather service indicated it was an outdated map, to begin with

aj0201

Right. So why is he holding it up? Especially with the black crayon doodle altering it?

zzsnot303

i saw no black crayon...it doesn't matter.. not a violation, PERIOD. write your congressman and complain about it !!!

James Bond1

What "federal law" do you think he broke. What were you doing in his toilet anyway...?

Colo

Trump Breaks more laws every day. He’s nothing more than a pathological lying Cheating Con Artist

REM541

Hey you and trump are a lot alike.

aj0201

Good grief Jame, is reading difficult for you? Not only is the law presented in the above post it’s been all over the news the last 24 hours.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

Where's Bob Mueller when we really need him?

aj0201

He did his due diligence. He’s shown the illegal, impeachable offenses our President engaged in. No need for him to become the weather police now.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

Let the impeachment hearings begin, starve the lions

REM541

Code 18 2074, late to the party as usual.

Socialist

War no more, from your lips to god's ears.

beelog

I certainly do not want war, and I believe the best way to avoid it is a strong military, a real deterrent.

beelog

mea culpa----I went off topic----geezer time!

aj0201

The US has the best military in the world. Name a decade in the last 120 years where we haven’t been at war or some significant military operation......

beelog

No other free country is willing to oppose tyranny. We have become the arsenal and police force for the free world. Without the U.S. the world would be a much different place. There is no other free country willing or able to oppose tyranny in the world. I think the free world has become dependent on the United States for their defense and to take the initiative whenever and wherever people are oppressed.

aj0201

Can’t see the conflict in your own logic? If a strong military is a deterrent, and the US has the strongest military, and the world both good guys and bad guys know it, and the bad guys still do their bad things, how is military might stopping anything if the whole world knows the greatest military is going to respond?

popski

Because we DON'T always respond. I agree...we have the best equipped, best trained and most battle-hardened military in the world, but as we all know, bad people will always do bad things. Just look at our own local situation. We have a great police department, but we still have lawbreakers doing their evil deeds all over St. Joe...

aj0201

But the logic being presented is that due to our might we shouldn’t have to respond to anything. You’re right, the fact is bad people do bad things and a deterrent isn’t the might of a possible foe.

popski

My point is that the threat of being caught by the police is clearly no deterrent for criminals. Deterrence isn't the answer...

Socialist

Excuse me I meant to show you erroneous equation of walmart guns and ammo sales with Armed invasion from China. Do you really think Walmart gun sales will repel a Chinese invasion and that you are the second coming of Rambo???

beelog

Socialist---Are you a fan of Rambo?

REM541

You evidently don't know his favorite movie is "Red Dawn". It's a big hit with the trumpers here on the board. I suspect they have a man crush on Patrick Swayze.

beelog

Patrick Swayze is dead, if you haven't heard.

REM541

So is Elvis, what's your point? Or is that your truthful statement for the day?

Socialist

Watching China it must be a very scary trip traveling through the synopsis of your brain if you can equate Walmart deciding not to sell certain guns and ammunition which on the surface is a very moral and principled stand and should be applauded .but don't kid yourself into believing that their bottom line has a great deal to do with this decision, Keep an eye on their stock

beelog

It is certainly scary when the synopses misfire!

Socialist

No more guns your premise is that we need to deal with the core cause of these lone wolf mass shootings. First let us look at the at the shooters for the most part they are young white males who are loners and mostly filled with hate, Consider the Walmart shooter in El Paso, and Dillon Root in the Baptist church prayer study. or the shooter in the Synagogue or the shooter who killed 49 in a gay nightclub in florida. They were motivated by racism , anti semitism. and hatred of gays. If you didn't have a political party and matching religion that fans the fires of hatred we would not have our senses assaulted so often. When you say they want to take away your and my guns who are you talking about. Name one law that has specifically been written to take our guns or do away with the second amendment. Tell me when if ever taking away guns or doing away with the second amendment was a plank in the Democratic party platform. Sadly you have been lied to by the republican party and the NRA so much that you are now spouting their lies on your own.

popski

I disagree. Guns are not the problem...and new laws are not the solution.

REM541

Popski we all agree that the object used to harm is not the problem. We have always had these situations in the U.S. I believe I read or heard, I did not verify this, that one of the earliest incidents of mass shooting was in the 1860's when a man shot at school children hitting 11. If we want to have firearms then we must expect these things to happen and for the most part we as a society have been ok with that. But the increase of military style weapons and high capacity mags into the civilian population is ridiculous. And the black scary argument is worthless, it wouldn't matter if they were pink, they are made for one thing. And so you know I am an avid shooter, I have shot competitively for years and am by no means a liberal gun hater.

popski

I agree with most of your post. However, would you do me a favor? Please explain the difference between a "military style" rifle and a semi-auto hunting rifle? I know you didn't want to hear about the "scary black color"...but if you're an avid shooter, as you say, then you will know there is basically no difference between a hunting rifle and a "military style" rifle.

You seem like a sensible person and I've enjoyed our "back and forth". I enjoy debate...not arguing. So...that said...I'd like your opinion on what we, as a society, can legitimately and constitutionally do to try and prevent these horrible shootings. Can you cite any proposed law that would have prevented any of the shootings in the past 20 years?

REM541

Sure, a semi auto rifle as sold through every firearms manufacture until the introduction of the AR platform would hold 3 to 4 rounds with most being loaded in the style of a container box magazine not a detachable mag. At least that's what all my gun catalogs show. And most if not all were in the form of what most would refer to as a hunting cartridge such as .270, 30-06, .260, and others. As for a military style firearm I would said contains the following features. The ability to take high capacity mags, short barrel, (I know this is very debatable, my opinion is under 20 inches), collapsible stock, are the three that stick out to me. But that's my opinion and I am by know means an expert.

popski

Thank you, REM...you're the first individual to respond to this question. OK...I agree with you with regard to high-capacity magazines. Now...that said...I have a regular hunting rifle that has a detachable magazine but I think it's limited to 10 rounds. I frankly can't see any reason for a larger magazine...for hunting. If you need even 10 rounds to hit your target, perhaps you need to practice more!!

My Glock has a13-round clip...but I don't really see any need for that, either. As for the caliber...I can't see the size of the rounds being of any concern. Even a .22 caliber rifle would do tons of damage. Obviously, someone using an 30-06 would maybe do MORE...but I can tell you that a .22 would still kill.

Basically, I see little or no difference between many typical hunting rifles and the so-called AR...other than the color.

Since your moniker is new to the forum (don't know if you're new...or just a regular with a different handle), I'll tell you what my belief is about gun control. I feel guns should be, and COULD be, regulated exactly in the same way as cars are regulated. Mandatory licensing, mandatory training, titles for each weapon and if you sell a gun, you have to transfer title to that person. Just take the same requirements for owning and operating a car and apply all of those requirements to guns. To me...that is reasonable.

REM541

Pop enjoyed your reply, seems we can agree on things. I have a fair amount of firearms and everyone is registered, same as my father. Agreed that no need for a clip that holds more then 10 rounds. I like 5 round mags but mostly for the lower profile and easy for bench shooting. As I said before people are going to do evil things and I don't know how that can be stopped. But I do know that these mass shootings would be a lot less deadly if they had been using a Remington 742, 7400. Just an opinion shared by most experts.

popski

I don't own a lot of firearms...frankly I only have two. One is probably considered an "assault style" weapon. I like it because it's easy to use. The other one is a handgun...and also easy to use. Both will hold 13 rounds. I don't NEED 13 rounds and I'd be just fine if I could exchange those clips with 10-round clips.

Now...hopefully no one decides we should ban guitars because I DO have a large collection of guitars!! I even have ONE guitar that pretty much looks like an AR-15. It even has a bandolier for a guitar strap. So far, I've not played it at church...

munchman

That is kind of chicken do do pops. You are making a meaningless contribution to the discussion. if you really cared you would give a solution that is not based on debunked theories like mental illness and video games. Come on if you are not a part of the solution you are part of the problem

James Bond1

All the laws these people say they want are up and running as we speak......they are in Chicago and Philadelphia.....and Minneapolis.....and New York...…...and none of them are working...……….so why would we go that direction.

Colo

Lying Donnie Dementia’s Fake Vanity Wall Won’t Stop any of these Mass killings..... Maybe his vile racist remarks & Open Support for NeoNazi & KKK groups will

Socialist

Mitts off I believe you misread that article. The article I read said that Trump intends to make major cuts to Social Security and Medicare as a priority in his next term. Now I and most who post here are either retirees or close to retirement and I wonder how our conservative brothers and sisters feel about this? Is this what you hope happens in a second Trump term?

Marty_Chuzzlewit

More fake news from CNN, Socialist. CNN took a partisan statement from a Democrat Representative, Hakeem Jeffries, and turned that misinformation into a news story which has dutifully been making its rounds in the liberal media since April. So, how do those who DO stay informed "feel about this?" For starters we know no changes to SSA can be made by the executive branch alone, any tampering with benefits would require Congressional legislation be enacted by both chambers and then presented for Presidential approval or veto. So, don't worry, Socialist, your SSA benefits are safe. If you need more reassurance, here is a link to PolitiFact which debunks the "article" frightening you and rates it as FALSE:



https://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2018/may/04/hakeem-jeffries/did-trumps-budget-include-2-trillion-cut-medicare-/

Colo

Fake News is Owned by Fake Fox Noise...... CNN once again is awarded the Most Trusted award in America

aj0201

No more laws, lookit what I found on the internets.....https://youtu.be/TTFayjucLx4

aj0201

Your turn jdw.........

aj0201

aj0201

Aug 28, 2019 4:25pm

Jdw, I absolutely support Planned Parenthood’s preventative care which reaches into the millions of people. I absolutely don’t support their abortion services, which is in the hundreds of thousands each year. Federal law says they can’t use $$ for abortions and they’ve never, ever, been charged with using federal $$ to perform abortions. Not even the most ardent detractors have ever presented one iota of evidence to the contrary. Accusing them of doing so without evidence fits under bearing false witness, doesn’t it? You’re making the same argument against PP that the left made against Justice Kavanaugh. Are you able to see that???? Now, as someone who professes to be a Christian and the Jesus is your Lord and Savior, don’t you think you shouldn’t bear false witness?

Socialist

Amen brother. As a Christian I feel it is incumbent upon me to be a bright and shining witness for our lord. When I see people who call themselves Christian standby and say nothing about the treatment of asylum seeking children and the border I wonder if they think Jesus said "Make the little children suffer to come unto me" instead of "Suffer the little children to come unto me" As a true Christian who lives his life as Christ like as he commanded us to, I could never vote for a person like Trump, EVER.

beelog

Fortunately for you, you live in a country where you can vote as you please---and applaud yourself in the process.

beelog

"Suffer the little children to come unto me"--How does that fit in with abortions?

popski

As a true Christian, I believe the Bible teaches us to respect the law and pray for our leaders...not blatantly break the law and make fun of our leaders. As a true Christian, I cannot and will not vote for ANY candidate who supports or defends abortion on demand or who hides behind the moniker of "choice".

REM541

But everything else is ok? So if we did away with abortion you could vote for a democrate? I call bull, you would move on to the next issue where you control people's lives.

popski

Perhaps REM541. I have in the past. Does that surprise you? I don't vote "single issues"...but to me, murdering unborn babies is inexcusable and indefensible. I will not vote for a candidate who supports it. Your post is way too general...I did not say everything else is OK.

zzsnot303

fact: abortion is legal, and every person has an opinion, none of our opinions matter on the subject. however, any forum like this entitles each person to state or otherwise vent approval or denial. it comes down to law and personal choice. God isn't changing it, neither are Democrats or Republicans changing it. same goes with guns, and any other subject. "we the people" only have a say at the ballot box. I personally was a youth pastor long ago, until i accidently caught my married pastor having sex with a parishoner. since then , my beliefs have changed. CHOICE is what governs my life and and choice has been good for me. my post has nothing to do do with any beliefs that you all have, just stating my two cents worth.

beelog

popski--it is the issue over which I left the Democrat Party....to REM, any Party without respect for innocent unborn life cannot be trusted on any other issue---that is my opinion--it is not pontification.

aj0201

I’m curious what you thing the GOP has done to reduce abortions?

popski

I love it when people use the argument "abortion is legal". Yeah...it is...and slavery USED to be legal. Didn't make it right...didn't excuse slavery's horror. People opposed slavery and we even fought a Civil War over it...and it was abolished. In the same way, I vehemently oppose the horror of abortion, even though it's "legal".

REM541

I wasn't being "general", just curious if anything else mattered. It seems that seems to be the issue for you and jdw. But if that goes away what's next? Republicans act as if that is the golden ticket. Republicans can destroy everything if they just stop abortion. Send dying back to a country where they won't receive the medical treatment to live. Check that's ok. Separate immigrant families, (right in line with their family values, remember when that was something), keep people in cages in filthy conditions without soap, tooth paste, blankets, and On and on, eliminate regulations that the oil and automotive industries want and say they need. And now the famous light bulb right is back. Trump wants more inefficient light bulbs, why? The answer is simple, because it is something that Democrats like. Republicans are so pity and immature that they want to bring back crummy light bulbs. The last two show that republicans only care about taking the opposite stance as a Democrat no matter how stupid.

popski

I'm not aware of Republicans destroying anything. People who come here, illegally, bring their problems on themselves. There is a legal method of coming to this country. We have immigration laws that must be enforced. Separating illegal immigrant families is not really accurate. There have been many times illegals have posed as families...but the kids they claim are theirs really aren't. So...just to be sure...there are times when these "families" are separated until their true relationship can be established. That policy has been in place, by the way, for WAY longer than President Trump has been in office. Same goes for your assertion of "keeping people in cages in filthy conditions without soap, tooth paste, blankets, and On and on"...a blatant untruth. It's been clearly proven none of that is true. As far as your assertion on the oil and auto industry regulations...I feel they were OVERregulated and I'm happy to see some common sense regulatory changes made. I'm not sure I get your point about light bulbs. What's wrong with light bulbs??

Penelope Goodbody

Abortion is morally wrong - what's happened is those morals have been abandoned and replaced with a feel good legal stance. Planned Parenthood lost their Title X funding just recently due to noncompliance. They couldn't care less about women's health.

popski

Penelope, I'm not sure that's a fair statement. I know a few folks who work for PP...and I know THEY care about a woman's health...

Penelope Goodbody

popski, I was referring to the Planned Parenthood organization as a whole. They will lose Title X funding of $60 million because they refused to comply with the rule that forbids referrals to doctors who can perform abortions. That glaring fact proves they don't have the best interests of women as a goal. The funds have enabled the group to provide more than 1.5 million low-income women each year with services like birth control and pregnancy tests, as well as screenings for sexually transmitted diseases and breast and cervical cancer. Over all, Planned Parenthood gets more Title X money than any single group, and it serves 40 percent of all Title X patients. In a nutshell, Planned Parenthood couldn't care less about those Title X patients.

aj0201

My understanding is the Title X funding issue is because if PP referred a patient to a doctor who performs abortion EVEN IF IT WASNT FOR AN ABORTION, they would have been in violation. That would be too restrictive and is an obvious political issue rather than a woman’s health issue. Abortion providers don’t just provide abortions but the politicians made it like they do.

Penelope Goodbody

Earlier this month, the Department of Health and Human Services posted an explanation of the timeline and details of the new policy, saying that it is “not a gag rule.” “Health professionals are free to provide nondirective pregnancy counseling, including counseling on abortion, and are not prohibited in any way from providing medically necessary information to clients,” the department said. “The Final Rule does NOT include the 1988 Regulation’s prohibition on counseling on abortion — characterized by some as a ‘gag rule’ — but neither does it retain the mandate that all grantees MUST counsel on, and refer for, abortion.” The department said that “while Title X providers are prohibited from referring for abortion as a method of family planning, referral for abortion because of an emergency medical situation is not prohibited.”



It said providers may give pregnant women “a list of comprehensive health care providers (including prenatal care providers), including some (but not the majority) who perform abortion as part of a comprehensive health care practice. However, this list cannot serve as a referral for, nor identify those who provide abortion — and Title X providers cannot indicate those on the list who provide abortion.

Organizations receiving Title X funds will still be able to perform abortions but will have to do so in a separate facility from their other operations and adhere to the new requirement that they not refer patients to it. Clinics have been prohibited for years from using federal money to finance abortion services, except in cases of rape, incest or when the pregnancy would endanger the woman’s life. The new rule goes a step further by ordering them to keep separate books for their abortion operations. Those changes are expected to take effect in 2020.

Colo

Only Fake Phony Christians Support the Pathological Lying Sexual Predator Trump

zzsnot303

the last couple of days aj is making sense....food for thought

REM541

He'll go to church next Sunday and everything will be fine. See that's the game, spend a couple of hours there and all your problems are gone. Helps clear the small mind.

popski

REM541, can you clarify your post? It almost seems like you're making fun of people who go to church or profess to be a Christian...

Surely that's not the case...

REM541

Pointing out the hypocrisy of those on the board. Call people murderers, out and out lie, make racist comments about others. But it's all good because they go to church. What is there to clarify? It's a simple and accurate statement, were are you confused?

popski

I'm absolutely not defending people's sometimes hateful remarks...on either side. However, some of you seem to take great delight in making fun of Christians and church people in general. I find that interesting since I think you'd insist you're a very tolerant individual.

If you're referring to ME, when I refer to abortionist proponents as murderers...then I stand guilty as charged...and I won't apologize for my position. I don't lie and I have never, ever made a racist comment in this forum or anyplace else. If some have, and then they go to church...GREAT!! Churches are not a country club of perfect people. They are where we learn more about God and His perfect way. Most of us who claim to be Christians would tell you that we are far from perfect. Some, in this forum, frankly don't act like Christians...talk like Christians...but that's between them and God. Not between them or you or me.

REM541

Pop I was not directing my comment to anyone person and it's nice that you stand guilty as charged. I'm sure you have heard the old saw "practice what you preach" was the point. But I like "keep your religion in your church".

popski

I can't "keep my religion in my church". I'm mandated, by the Lord Himself, to share my faith. Now...that said...I only do that if it's received and wanted. I typically don't "pound people over the head with my Bible". Still...as a follower of Jesus, I have adopted His will for my lifestyle. That means my beliefs dictate who I am and how I live. That's why some will feel I'm interjecting my beliefs into politics, etc. I probably am, to a point but I have that right. It's unconstitutional to insist Christians keep their religion in their church.

REM541

Popski, don't know why my post won't follow others. I am happy for you that you are confident and comfortable with your beliefs. I mean that in all sincerity, it can be a very positive and healthy part of a person's life. The problem is when your views are forced on others. You don't have the right.

zzsnot303

REM541.. it's not your fault posts are approved by a moderator who has other duties as well. true, posts are hap-hazard on this forum but that's the way it is...no particular order..look at the times as you scroll through..am, pm pm, am am, am, pm, am...there is absolutely no continuity unless you happen to post immediately after another person you're talking to..

popski

Right, REM...and I don't "force" my beliefs on others. However, there are certain things I believe are wrong...and I believe they're bad for our society. So...as is my right...I write my congressmen and senators and I ask them to do something about those things. When measures are on the ballot that affect how I believe, I vote my beliefs. I have that right...as does everyone. I'm pretty sure you would agree...but there are a good number of people who tell me that my religious beliefs have no place in the ballot box or in political discussions...but I disagree with that assessment.

Colo

Organized religion in America is totally Fake & should be Taxed by the Government

REM541

Pops not a problem with voting you with your beliefs, the problem is when they are completely in contradiction with facts. You know like people's sexuality, vaccinations, climate change, and many others. You blow off science in favor of a book written by individuals that believed in myths. That's a problem.

zzsnot303

religion.. popski.. regardless of teachings etc, when you offend others by sharing your religious rights, you think that's ok ?..God tells you to alienate others ? religion may belong in your life, but not welcomed by others..especially on a public forum such as this.. i think REM is correct in his objections..

popski

I can't share my beliefs because someone "might" be offended? Let me explain...I don't simply start "testifying" to people. However, in conversation, if it comes up, I share my beliefs. I've had people tell me, straight up, that they're not interested and would rather not talk about that...and that's fine. I stop talking about my beliefs and we talk about other things.

Jesus said His followers are to "go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature..."...and I do that when I have the opportunity. As for this forum, I have just as much a right to share my beliefs as you have to object to them. If you don't like what's written here, you're more than welcome to stop frequenting the IYC forum. It's the same for me...if I don't like things that are in opposition to my beliefs, I'm certainly free to stop coming to this site. Wouldn't you agree?

Marty_Chuzzlewit

Religiosity generously seasoned with moral hypocrisy has been the entrée served up here the past week or so

zzsnot303

abortion....yes or no..i really have no opinion because being a male, it isn't gonna happen to me. i won't argue pro's or con's. everyone is entitled to their opinion...some approve of abortion, some don't.. i just commented it's legal. being legal today is in no way comparable to slavery long ago.

zzsnot303

many many churches in America are established for the sole purpose of money. look at churches in st. joe...who is the biggest most prosperous ? is it because they have the best speaker ? biggest congregation ? or maybe the coins clinking provide the sermon to appear more readily acceptable...food for thought

popski

You missed the point. It doesn't MATTER that abortion is "legal". That "legal" status doesn't change the fact that it's a horrific, murderous, monstrous thing to do to a living human baby. People say "But it's legal!" as though that is supposed to make it OK. Well...it's NOT ok. I intend to fight abortion until it is NO LONGER acceptable and legal...just like slavery is no longer acceptable and legal. Slave owners and proponents of slavery, back in the early days of our nation, touted the fact that slavery was "legal"...as though that "legal" status somehow lent an air of legitimacy to that inhuman practice. It didn't. The two are the same...both are morally wrong...both are horrific...both dehumanize a human being...both are a blight on our society.

zzsnot303

so popski.. if you knock on my door sharing your religion, and i tell you to get lost...perhaps slam my door in your face...you have the "right" to bother me, interrupt my day, or otherwise annoy me ?

popski

I won't deny some churches are "in it for the money". I will also not deny that some Christians are Christian in name only...praising Jesus on Sunday and living like the devil through the week. Your argument, however, is invalid. Just because SOME churches are materialistic and less than honest doesn't mean they all are. Just because some people are hypocritical about their Christianity doesn't mean all Christians are hypocrites.

zzsnot303

popski.. regardless of your fight against abortion, the law of the land dictates it's legal and as such it becomes a matter for states to argue about.. personally i think abortion is a woman's choice, however, some women keep on having unwanted kids just because they're really really stupid and abortion is a convenience for them

REM541

Pops just curious how you would feel if all the other 4,900 religions just stopped by to share their beliefs with you? If someone is interested they will find you. Again I'm in the Thomas Jefferson camp on others religious views, I doesn't matter how many gods or no god, as long as it doesn't affect me. Of course that's not the exact quote but you get the meaning. I read yesterday that the lady that wouldn't give a marriage license to a gay couple can be sued. Deservedly so, her job was to issue a license not a religious view point.

popski

Are you kidding me? I get the Jehovah's Witness, the Mormons, the Baptists, etc, etc, etc. coming to my door all the time. I just politely tell them I'm already a member of my church and that I attend regularly. A couple of times, that wasn't good enough for my esteemed visitors, and they wished to become more...um...shall we say...motivated to save me. That's when I wish them a good day and close the door!

Seriously...I have no problem with people sharing their philosophical and religious views. After all...munchman is pretty clear with HIS beliefs and I don't see any of you complaining about him and his religious position. Why is it you object to mine?

popski

While I agree abortion is currently the "law of the land" that doesn't deter me from opposing it. My goal in life is to work toward making it illegal, except in the event I is necessary to save the mother's life.

popski

Zzsnot303, I'd hope you wouldn't slam the door in my face, but it's YOUR door and you have a right to tell me to get lost...and I would. Still why are you so incensed about my sharing MY viewpoints and beliefs but it's OK for the self-avowed atheists and agnostics on this board to share THEIR beliefs...with no recrimination from you? Curious!!!

popski

Sorry, REM...missed part of your post. The lady who refused to give a marriage license to the gay couple...I think she's wrong. If she can't do her job due to her beliefs, she needs another job. I feel totally different about the baker who owned his own bakery and was sued because he refused to make a cake for a gay couple. That was his own business and I feel business owners have a right to refuse service to anyone. They are subject to dealing with the fallout, i.e. boycotts, etc, but I still think they have that right...and it appears the SCOTUS agrees with me.

I realize there are some people who are really pushy about their religious beliefs, and I don't agree with that, but even Christians have a right to share their views and beliefs. I just feel when they're told their advances are unwanted, they should stop. Even Jesus taught that to His disciples.

zzsnot303

popski... i never said it was/was not ok for anyone else to share their beliefs.. your words: "OK for the self-avowed atheists and agnostics on this board to share THEIR beliefs." it just so happens you and i mostly are conversing on this site...guess everyone else is busy... i understand your propensity for religion..but i really don't have a need to hear it here on a daily basis...sure, you get caught up in it if someone mentions it...i get it

zzsnot303

sadly, there's a "report" button on every post but nary a "reply" button on each post...reply buttons are only on the FIRST post, which is silly..responding becomes a nightmare, thus all the continuity of word exchanges get lost

REM541

Pops I have to say your post about the marriage license is spot on. I have no problem with her beliefs but when you affect others it starts being a problem. If your beliefs are that strong then you should find a job that won't conflict with them.

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