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Enough is enough

It’s been proven time and time again that the Republicans would rather have their power than saving the lives of the American people and the safety of our country. Senate Majority Leader “Moscow” Mitch McConnell is not doing anything to protect our elections and to protect the American people. These people need to be voted out of office. They certainly are not doing the job they were elected to do. Their job is not to protect the president for his wrongdoings. When will they stand up and say enough is enough, and do the right thing? We, the American people, deserve more.

Forget it

To “Let’s be clear,” free Medicare for All will not put money in our pockets. Keep your socialism to yourself, because we don’t want it in this country.

Fair voice

The Electoral College is not “the aberration of the American way.” It is the ingenuity of our Founding Fathers. Without it, the larger states — California, Florida, etc., who are all very liberal — would totally run our country. I am thankful for the Electoral College. It allows every state to have a fair voice representing their state.

Editor’s note: Trump won Florida in 2016.

Why now?

I’m glad that the issue on Rolling Hills Library passed, but my question is, why couldn’t it have been included in the April election to save all the costs of a special election?

Better with age

Why is Medicare for older Americans a wonderful blessing, but Medicare for All fearful and socialist?

Blame society

We have become immune to killing and torture. We see it everywhere around us daily. These kids know nothing but violence from movies, TV, video games, even sports aren’t any fun unless someone gets hurt or killed. Society is to blame for this situation. With all the material things children have, they can never take the place of personal contact and attention. They need more love and attention.

Friends you keep

Sean Hannity showed the picture of former President Barack Obama with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan again; he shows it every so often. Boy, you want to talk about a racist and an anti-Semite, Farrakhan is probably the worst person in this entire country. But he’s a buddy of Obama’s and the left-wing wackos. That tells you a lot, doesn’t it?

Flagged

This red flag bill that’s been proposed is step one toward the confiscation of our guns. It’s a long, slippery slope but they’ve got it started. So we need to put a lot of pressure on Congress and the Senate to not pass that bill.

Haunting words

“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.” You know who wrote that? Adolf Hitler, in 1935.

(181) comments

aj0201

Disgusting.... https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1159298817478414337?s=21

zzsnot303

US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detained 680 workers at seven Mississippi chicken processing plants on Wednesday. Round 'em up and send 'em back !!!!!!!!

JohnQTaxpayer

Newest & final season of 'Orange Is the New Black' was entirely a propaganda piece promoting sympathy for Illegal Alien lawbreakers, while demonizing law-enforcement, in addition to it's normal sexual depraved content... [whistling]

zzsnot303

hey I.C.E. ..get TRIUMP next

aj0201

You misspelled “Trump.”

zzsnot303

you fix it..the meat packing plant...

Penelope Goodbody

We cannot have mass murder in the womb and be shocked when we have it on the streets.

JohnQTaxpayer

+1 Penelope! [thumbup]

Unfortunately, +1 Penelope!

Leftist Democrats 100% believe the opposite... [tongue_smile][thumbdown]

JohnQTaxpayer

Typo on the second '+1 Penelope'

Art Vandelay

PG, that might win the prize for most ignorant post of the week; and that is really saying something.

jdw64485

What did she say for that insult? But then your okay with murdering unborn babies.

Art Vandelay

There is no such thing as an "unborn baby". Is English your SECOND language?

jdw64485

Great comment penelope.

B4

Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and it's not the weapons used.

https://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-psychotropic-drugs/?fbclid=IwAR36GJRyvLw9kRjJYNegQnDiXmCczpc1SeYp9zzrT4CU3F4sSDclKoJufLo#ixzz5vanIKJxr

The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.



Multiple credible scientific studies going back more than a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information, show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior.

aj0201

Let’s see one of these “credible scientific studies” rather than an opinion piece from “ammoland.”

B4

aj - Since you apparently have nothing better to do except "running" your fictitious counseling service, perhaps you would like to google it proving otherwise.

aj0201

Hahaha! You’re the one claiming they’re there. Let’s see one. The logical fallacy of the opinion piece from “ammoland,” is enormous. That you can’t see it is hilarious. What’s next, an opinion piece from someone at Legoland? Disneyland? Gilligans Island?

Colo

B4.... If you can’t keep up with Aj, you should leave the Library & quit using their computer

B4

LOL - I don't have any trouble keeping up with aj - he can't prove anything in the article I posted is wrong... I'll just let him beat his chest as he desperately tries to overcome his inferiority complex.

aj0201

Sure you do. You can’t respond to my posts without being denigrating and offering nothing to support your position. You can’t and you know you can’t. I’m not a smart man, but I know I’m smarter than you.

JohnQTaxpayer

Ask any Law-Enforcement trainee. The first thing they check when investigated a woman who murders her kids & walks down the street naked is to check her medicine cabinet for SSRI drugs. They can cause suicidal ideations when starting/abruptly-ending them. If you're really in the mental-health field as you claim, vaj0201, you already KNOW this... [whistling]

aj0201

Hmmm, that’s only one side of the story Wake. And a tiny, fractional part of the story.

zzsnot303

ignore aj's rants and "show me the proof-" , they are as unimportant to this forum as he is. it's ALWAYS"show me the proof" PFTTTTTTT

popski

Aj...your remark about denigrating comments and no supporting arguments could easily apply to a number of posters in this forum...the chiefest, of whom, is colo.

Colo

Trumps Fragile little Ego was on Full display as he made an Incredible Fool of himself in Dayton (Not Toledo as the Idiot said) & El Paso!! He was Very upset he didn’t get treated as a “Rock Star”. Trumps Mental Health & Dementia on Full display!

zzsnot303

psst colo...that is past...move on to a more current subject...

beelog

The "rich"--American corporations (you know, those "evil" people) contribute untold millions of dollars to charity in this country. Wealthy people contribute millions of dollars to charity. In other words, they share their prosperity with the poor. Yet they are demonized by the Left---for doing good? I have one friend who I know donated half-a-million to a single charity. Is there any recognition from the Left? No they characterize him as an "evil one-percenter. They call him a "white supremacist". Trump (the first and only president to do this) donates his entire salary to charity. So what does the Left do---call him names and criticize his every move. He worked to provide a record number of jobs for minority workers---no credit. He has the economy humming---no credit. Do you see a pattern here? I have not heard a single person on the Left give him credit for his charity donations, or for his work on the economy. The Left needs to take a hard look at itself---whose side are they really on?

zzsnot303

note: watch for the NEXT idiotic leftist BS from aj0201..it's sure to be stupidly hilarious....

aj0201

I do call BS on this. Nobody gets called a racist because they’re white and they’re rich.

James Bond1

Hummmmm………...what have you called me...…………..? And often, more often, what has COLO called me and others.

beelog

So it is no longer to call out anyone of color ---for anything? The problem with the border is "illegals" coming across. They happen to be of color--therefore it is not allowed to call them out? The "four idiots" in Congress "happen" to be people of color---so it is not allowed to call them out for stupidity just because of color? At the same time, white-skinned people are "fair game"---is not that hypocrisy? The "race" card has been so overplayed it is becoming meaningless.

aj0201

You’re literally the one using the race card here. Again, Bernie Sanders was never told to go back where he came from. Why?

B4

Oh honestly...for eight years if I disagreed with the president, I was a racist. Now, if I agree with the President, I'm a racist. [huh]

aj0201

Maybe you should consider that you are, indeed, a racist?

popski

Or MAYBE we should figure out that just because we disagree with the liberal point of view doesn't make us racist??

B4

popski - good point! [thumbup][thumbup] Being a racist and being called a racist are not the same.

aj0201

That could be with some folks. I don’t care about agreement with political philosophies one way or another. But when I hear and read racism, I’ll call it out, not excuse it.

popski

The term "racist" is being terribly misused these days. Too many are being labeled "racist" simply because they disagree with someone...especially if that person is a "person of color". Sometimes, the "racist" moniker is levied against someone simply because they disagree with the more liberal or progressive point of view...and not about race at all. I've been called a "racist" because I refuse to admit "white privilege" and I continue to oppose illegal immigration. Anyone who knows me knows I'm about as far from being a racist as one can get.

zzsnot303

seems to me aj uses the term "racist" very frequently...food for thought

aj0201

Nope. I never once called Trump a racist until the comments about the four congresswomen going back where they came from. To me, that’s racist given the fact that people like Bernie Sanders aren’t told the same thing. Further more, he makes comments about how they hate America yet I’ve never seen one comment that mentions that. Not one.

zzsnot303

the word "rich" is passe...the new word is "wealthy"....

JohnQTaxpayer

Webster's Dictionary:

'RACIST' (rA-Sis-T), noun. 1. 'One who is NOT a Democrat.', 2. 'One who does NOT agree with Democratic falsehoods.' [huh][whistling]

James Bond1

Bee……………….that is an excellent observation. It is sooooo true.

Colo

Jaba... I see you are definitely Confused as is Bee. Try to watch a Real News channel someday so you understand Trump is a Lying Moron that is Mentally Deranged & Sick

beelog

CNN and MSNBC are rapidly losing market share because of their fake news --meanwhile Fox News is gaining market share.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

Just to be fair, Obama's "charitable" contributions should also be acknowledged. One of his very first actions as president was to present the PLO terrorist organization with a check drawn on the U.S. Treasury in the amount of $150 million, funds ultimately used to purchase more sophisticated rocketry to rain down on Israeli citizens. How proud Omar must of have been! Even more generous was Barry's cash gift of $400 million to Ayatollah Khamenei of Iran (Death to America) for a hollow "promise" that they really wouldn't weaponize their uranium stockpile.

aj0201

Fake

Colo

1000% Fake from Marciano

jdw64485

If you and colo don't agree then it's fake.

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Colo

Marty’s Obvious Hate of a Black President has Distorted his Hateful views of any one except White Nationalist Radical politicians. He’s Spewing Blatant Lies about America’s Last Real President!! Moscow Infowars has Warped his Fragile Mental state

beelog

Colo---If I were you I'd be careful about bringing up the issue of "mental state". You add nothing to this forum intellectually--only canned comments from the fake news channels.

zzsnot303

Marty isn't alone on that... !!!!

Colo

Bee is Easily Confused as always. The Rich American corporations have Dramatically Cut their Contributions to Charity’s because of Lying Traitor Trumps Tax Giveaways To Billionaires

jdw64485

If it was only true what you say. What Trump gives away. No were compares to what you liberal's gives away.

beelog

Enough is enough--(gun legislation)--shallow thinking and a knee-jerk reaction. You want to punish everyone for the action of less than .01% of our population. Guns are inanimate objects that cannot hurt anyone without the assistance of a deranged individual. Cars kill far more people than guns--should they be banned? Why don't you attempt to put controls on cancer which kills millions? That is silly, of course, but the logic is the same. any country has wackos who will do wacko things.

aj0201

Cars get used far more than guns do on a daily basis. I gun owners pulled the trigger as often as they turn a key, we’d have a lot more gun deaths. And cars are inanimate objects too. But we regulate the heck out of them and their user.

zzsnot303

cars don't kill 20..30..70 people at a time...nutcases do that !!!!

popski

Cars can...and do...kill many people if a nutcase is behind the wheel!!

aj0201

Right. Same with guns. But cars still remain far more regulated than guns.

Colo

Republicans care About Gums MORE than the Lives of School children. So Much for their Phony Lies & Fake Christian Garbage On Womens Right to Choose

B4

Colo - what's wrong with healthy gums...you wouldn't have had to get false teeth if you'd used healthy oral hygiene. Course at your age, probably every part of your body is fake! Hahahahaha [beam][beam][beam][lol]

popski

Juicy Fruit or Wrigley's Spearmint gums?? I'm confused, colo....you're not making a lot of sense!!

B4

popski - [wink][thumbup][thumbup]

jdw64485

For healthy gums brush twice a day. Brushing three minutes each time.

B4

jdw - [thumbup][thumbup] Also floss every day!

popski

Flossing is racist!!

B4

popski - [wink][beam] Actually I use those dental brushes - find them more effective than dental floss.

JohnQTaxpayer

Question: 'You know how to prove Colo invented the toothbrush..? [whistling]

Answer: 'if anyone ELSE in enter it, it'd be called a TEETH brush..! [beam][lol][whistling][thumbup]

JohnQTaxpayer

'ELSE invented'

zzsnot303

having to wake up each morning is "fake" to colo......

JohnQTaxpayer

having to wake up each morning next to colo is munchman.....

beelog

Friends you keep--(Obama/Farrakhan)--Obama said the thug in Florida "could have been my son", and the police "acted stupidly" in another case. He was a closet racist, and a weak president. Drawing a line in the sand, then failing to defend it was extremely stupid and sent a message of weakness to our enemies. No wonder the Russians tried to take advantage and every other country took the good end of the bargain on trade deals.

aj0201

Watch out bee, your racism is showing.

JohnQTaxpayer

Watch out Vaj, your socialism is showing.

beelog

Haunting words---(Hitler's confiscation of private guns)--What we have is a mental health problem---not just shooters, but the thousands of homeless sleeping on our streets and leaving human waste on the sidewalks. The city of Chicago, with strict gun laws, has more shootings than just about anywhere. What is proposed is restricting guns to law-abiding citizens because a handful of "nut cases" try to have their 15 minutes of fame.

popski

I don't have a problem with registration of guns. I do have a question, however...

How do you get the criminals to comply with registering THEIR guns? Please...could someone answer this question?

JohnQTaxpayer

GREAT question, popski! [thumbup]

zzsnot303

Today's world..... a cell phone, a gun, pocket full of drugs, and unlimited time.... equals "working smarter rather than working harder" .......

Colo

Is that your New Republican Platform?? Guns & Drugs? 🙄🙄

JohnQTaxpayer

It's Freedom, Colo.

A concept that's alien to you. [alien][ninja]

zzsnot303

popski: it's a mindset in the generation of today. too many do-gooders already geting too many free handouts, America is out of control. too many pyscho-whatever's and their garble babble (hint: aj0205) messing up young people's minds. kids become criminals, criminals become a way of life, ONLY parents can stop this nonsense but parents have kids they don't want and unleash them on society. there is no end to it.

beelog

The won't, of course, and the they obtain theirs from the underground black market. The end result will be armed criminals and unarmed civilians. Liberals, as always, are barking up the wrong tree.

James Bond1

Pops...………..you hit the nail on the head. Too many of these people are trying to shut down the NRA and they don't know what "an assault weapon" is.

Colo

The NRA is a Terrorist Organization that Funneled $$$$ from Communist Russia to their Puppet Campaign for the Fat Lying Orange Moron

popski

I keep asking if someone on the left would tell me the difference between an "assault" weapon and a semi-auto hunting rifle.

Art Vandelay

A couple things, popski. Most of these mass killers were not hardened criminals; they are just mentally disturbed. Second, it seems like usually it is reported that these guys purchased weapons legally. The problem, as I see it, is the vendors are ignoring the regulations. "It's money that matters in the USA".

popski

I've seen no evidence that the weapons used by these killers were sold illegally or outside of regulations. I know that I've bought several weapons over the past few years...at pawn shops, no less...and I've ALWAYS had to do a background check. Funny story...the last weapon I bought, I was waiting for the background check results, and the guy right next to me was also waiting. His was denied...and they refused to let him have the weapon. Why? Because he had been charged with domestic assault a few years ago. Now isn't THAT interesting!! The system worked!! At least it did from my perspective.

aj0201

It did work. What about the next guy standing next to you who has never been arrested but has a diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder with paranoid delusions?

popski

Dunno...perhaps that needs to be reported at some point? I'm just saying...there is NO LAW that will stop these events. It's already against the law to kill someone...yet criminals do it every single day. Why? Because they don't CARE about the law. So...new laws will be equally ineffective.

JohnQTaxpayer

You probably shouldn't have guns then, vaj. Go turn yourself in. [huh]

aj0201

There is no law that’ll stop murder. There is no law that’ll stop abortion. There is no law that’ll stop drunk driving. There is no law that’ll stop narcotics trafficking. But we sure try on those, right?

popski

We have laws against drunk driving. Yet the bad folks still do it. We have laws against murder. Yet people still do it. That should tell us laws don't work with lawbreakers.

aj0201

There you go. You’re finally honing in on the issue from a philosophical point. Which laws work and which laws don’t? But when you make cases for or against laws, you have to understand reality. Again, people advocate for laws to make abortion illegal. You and I both know that won’t stop them. Politically, many of those same people are against any law to limit guns, saying they won’t work. See the problem?

popski

The difference, aj, is that I REALIZE abortions will still occur. I just don't want taxpayer funds PAYING for abortions. If you want to kill your unborn baby, that's on you...but don't use any taxpayer funding to do it.

aj0201

It’s against the law for federal tax dollars to pay for abortions.

JohnQTaxpayer

BOTH 'Planned Abortionhood' AND Vaj0201 endorsed the pro-abortion candidate, hiLIARy for President. I guess it was SO important to Vaj that Trump didn't get elected, that it didn't matter that more living fetuses might have to get snuffed-out, eh..?[whistling]

JohnQTaxpayer

I hate to be the one to make it obvious to you, Vaj, but Drunk-driving, murder & law-breaking AREN'T Constitutional RIGHTS. Possession of firearms IS. Get real, and stop your mental mind-tricks, socialism-boy.[whistling]

aj0201

SCOTUS said that gun ownership is not an absolute right. Some regulation is reasonable to expect.

jdw64485

It's been about 5 hrs. Still no answer to popski quedtion

aj0201

There’s a logical fallacy to popskis question. We “ban” things all the time. Criminals still get them. You want to “ban” abortions yet we all know that abortions will happen. People want to “ban” drugs but people still take them. But when the question comes up about banning guns, those same people that want to ban other things say, “well, criminals will still get them so banning doesn't make sense.” And no, I’m not pro abortion and no, I’m not I’m favor of banning guns. Just pointing out the difficulty in the logic of all this.

popski

You just made our point, aj. Laws may ban something but the ONLY people those laws affect are the law-abiding people. You can repeal the 2nd Amendment and ban guns...but only those who obey the law ANYWAY will comply. Those of the criminal element will not comply. So...in the end...who will have the guns?

I have several weapons and I bought them all legally...and I'm very well trained to use them. I'm a responsible gun owner. It makes zero sense to me to penalize the legal, responsible gun owners because of a very minute few who are illegal, borderline illegal and irresponsible. Perhaps if we stopped blaming the weapon and start placing the blame where it belongs...squarely on the shoulders of the sick, twisted, hate-filled individual who is willing to use the weapon to take human lives...we'd be better off.

As I've said very clearly, I have no problem with regulating weapons the same way we regulate cars...registration, mandatory training, etc...but, again, how do you get the bad guys to comply? Do you honestly think these killers, drug dealers, gang members, etc, will all traipse into the local sheriff's office and voluntarily register their guns? Nope...me neither!

aj0201

Popski, I agree. It’s a complex issue because this goes beyond just gun ownership. I was listening to someone on the radio the other day, they did point out that in cities like Chicago and Los Angeles the guns they find at crime scenes often times originally come from places where they are legal. In Chicago it takes just a few minutes to be in Indiana. A few hours to go gro Los Angeles to Nevada. You and I are in agreement. I’m all for regulations similar to cars. Registration, etc. But I go one step farther and agree with Trump on red flag laws. When driving a car, if you obey the laws, you can drive nearly anywhere you want. For me with guns, follow the laws, you should own most any weapon you want. But I have no problem with the idea that if you show there is a concern for your state of mind, your weapons can be temporarily removed.

popski

I'd even go so far as to say "permanent" if the red flag is red enough. I don't want guns in the hands of bad people. The problem is...how do you know the good from the bad BEFORE they do something bad? We have to get better at that. When red flags are raised, we need to check out the reports, rather than just let it go.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

There would be millions of FALSE red flags raised simply out of maliciousness. What should the FEDERAL penalty be for that?

popski

Good point, art...and there SHOULD be a stiff penalty for false reports.

popski

Oops...sorry Marty...not Art.

aj0201

Red flag laws wouldn’t be sans due process, Marty. And people making false or malicious reports should be prosecuted.

aj0201

Popski, to answer your question of “how do you know,” you don’t. Not all the way. But the guy in El Paso and the guy Dayton and Parkland as well all had “red flags” that would have put them in the radar at least to a degree. Would it have stopped it? We don’t know, but inaction certainly isn’t working.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

You can't just brush off the federal false red flag issue by saying offenders would or should be prosecuted. Look at the damage done those maliciously accused of being a threat, how do they clear their name? They can't is the unfortunate fact. And prosecutions? That is laughable!! Do you really think the federal courts are going to hear the hundreds of thousands of cases sure to be brought? No way!! The offenders will be warned and go on their way, laughing, knowing the person they "turned in" will be forever damaged. A FEDERAL red flag law is unthinkable.

popski

To that end, aj, we agree. One of the shooter's mom called law enforcement expressing HER concern. Nothing was done. I think THAT could be the underlying issue, here...at least in these cases. I also find it interesting that in mere minutes after a horrific event, someone's FB page is found to be rife with all kinds of incriminating stuff...things that SHOULD have been caught before. Yeah...we all want our privacy, but we also want a secure society. My PERSONAL opinion is, if you put it out on the internet, it's free game. If you post threats, plans, a violent manifesto, etc....you and, and should, be stopped BEFORE you commit the act.

popski

Marty, the idea that someone could maliciously put out a "red flag" on someone they don't like is a very real thing. However, if the full brunt of the law was brought to bear on those who make false reports of a "red flag", and if their penalty was stiff enough, that sort of thing would stop quickly...trust me!

aj0201

You should write to president trump.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

popski, I do trust you, but you are wrong on this issue. The volume of false red flag accusations would overwhelm the federal court system. It would be years, if ever, before the malicious accusers would see prosecution. But, put that completely aside. Think of the life-time damage done to those falsely accused. For example, the false charge against Justice Kavanaugh. Look at those respected in the law community who still go on national media or write op-eds proclaiming him guilty. If a person of Kavanaugh's standing can't shake a false accusation, what chance does the average Joe on the street have? And we know from federal whistleblower experience that ANONYMOUS hot-lines would become part of FEDERAL red flag law and false accusations will be impossible to track down. This is one of the most dangerous ideas ever conceived and one can only hope the President rejects it.

zzsnot303

at least i agree with aj on this.......

popski

Fair voice - The editor's note is irrelevant to the call. The caller is 100% correct. Not sure what the moderator was trying to say...

beelog

Agreed. The caller only cited an incorrect state---should have used Illinois (Chicago) or Washington, Oregon, Massachusetts, New York.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

Flagged.....The anti-firearm hysteria sweeping the liberal left and fed by "unfacts" on fake news channels is reminiscent of the Red Scare of the 1960's and proliferation of fallout shelters. Now the race is on for "Red Flag Laws" to in one fell swoop eliminate for law-abiding citizens not only their Second Amendment rights, but also their Fourth Amendment protections. Keep in mind it would be the "professionals" with the training and expertise of an aj0201 who will determine one's fitness to own a gun should a national red flag law be enacted. Now, that is a "Red Scare!"

zzsnot303

the courts should eliminate the 9th circuit and ALL the far left idiots in it, including the judges. wipe out California first-that eliminates 80 percent of the most stupid people in America.

Colo

Republicans are Responsible for 25,000 Murders since Sandy Hook

zzsnot303

colo... Republicans are no more responsible than you are. try blaming the wacko Democrats for a change

popski

Democrats are responsible for 1 million murders since this past January...

You see...I can ALSO make an outrageous, unsubstantiated, illogical claim, colo!! This is fun!!

jdw64485

BS. Wrong what a stupid comment.

aj0201

Marty, you see no value in temporarily removing weapons from someone who is making homicidal or suicidal statements? There is zero value in that discussion for you? How many people point to the failure to see “red flags” in the Parkland shooting? Many commentators blamed local police and FBI for failing to act in these red flags. What were they supposed to do?

Marty_Chuzzlewit

I see not only no value in FEDERAL "red flag" legislation, but an irresistible opportunity for the left to include sanctions that would restrict Second Amendment rights of individuals based on other than their mental state. Remember, the hidden provision in ObamaCare that denied firearm ownership to Social Security recipients, hundreds of thousands of them, if they chose to have their benefits assigned to a third party. That is just an example of the mischief that would be wrought on the right to own firearms. If the states want "red flag" laws, that is one to consider, but a FEDERAL "red flag" law should never be enacted.

aj0201

Hmm. I get what you’re saying but I do believe there is room for discussion at the federal level, if not just for a data base. There are a lot of people walking around with serious mental illnesses that have never been convicted of a crime. They are not excluded from gun ownership. Should that not be a concern?

Marty_Chuzzlewit

They don't bother me nearly as much as the people DRIVING around with serious mental illnesses, including drug use. I have a 15% chance of encountering a driver in that category every time I go on the road, a 100% chance if I drive seven days a week. My chance of encountering a mass murderer of any mental incapacity is so close to zero I give it not a second thought.

aj0201

Mass murderers, yes. I agree. But when you factor in those who are people who attempt suicide, rob, commit domestic violence, commit single murders, etc your number is likely close to the 15% number you say. This isn’t just about mass murder. Is it not worthwhile to stop a person from killing their spouse? Or robbing a bank?

Marty_Chuzzlewit

I leave the spousal abusers and bank robbers to the law for my protection from them and my chances of an encounter with them is so low as to be of no concern. Not so with the 15% of drivers under the influence. Add in the relatively new hazard of distracted driving and my concern of being accosted by a mass murderer rates right down there with man-made global warming.

aj0201

If you drive in a car, go to the store, go to a movie, go to church, or whatever, you encounter these people. You just don’t know it yet. Because it’s not affecting you directly, you see no reason to think it affects you at all. But it does. This is a little bit like the rationale that because you don’t have kids in school you should be exempt from school taxes.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

I pay school taxes because it is the right thing to do. My parents paid school taxes, I went to school. I pay school taxes, my kids went to school, my grandkids went to school and my great-grandkids are in school. I may disagree with the quality of education they receive, but willingly pay the tariff. However, that has naught to do with mass murderers and a FEDERAL red flag law. Note, I do not object to a well-written state law with STRICT safeguards to protect the identity of anyone falsely identified as a potential risk. If that can't be assured, then I would strenuously object to enactment of even a state statute that put innocent individuals at risk of wrongful exposure. I have sat on six grand juries and have voted on cases involving wrongful deaths due to impaired drivers. One case was the first fetal homicide case brought in this state. I am not insensitive to the pain caused by the recent murders, but do not feel the dangers posed by a FEDERAL red flag law is warranted. Why not a red flag law for the 15% of drivers known to get behind the wheel impaired by drugs and/or alcohol? That could possibly save many more lives than reporting nut cases with guns will ever do. It is only a matter of priorities with me. I abhor stupidity. Colorado legalized marijuana and according to the federal HTSB increased vehicular traffic accidents by 5%. Colorado is willing to pay that price for the potential increased revenues. I am NOT willing to pay the price of malicious false reporting sure to occur with a FEDERAL red flag law. But, then, I am not stupid.

zzsnot303

have coffee and donuts with their friends !!!!!!!!

WakeUpUS

Dr. Robert Epstein, Harvard PhD in Behavioral Science with 40 years of experience, has always been Left/Central Left philosophically. But Dr. Epstein testifies before Congress about how Google has used & IS USING 'Search-Engine Manipulation' to alter Election results, stealing them for their candidate(s). hiLIARy's #1 financial supporter in the 2016 Election was 'Alphabet', Google's parent company... SHOCKING. [ohmy]

WakeUpUS

Interviewer: "Senator Sanders, Why Do YOU Want to Let Millions of Illegals Into the Country..?".......... Bernie: "Because They Will Do Jobs That Most Americans NO Longer Want To Do.."........ Interviewer: "Like WHAT..?"........ Bernie: "Like VOTE For Democrats." [beam][whistling][lol][tongue_smile]

WakeUpUS

The Democrat 2020 Election Platform' 1.) Tear Down the U.S. Security Border Wall. 2.) Kill Babies at the Time of Birth. 3.) Let Illegal Aliens Vote & Get Welfare. 4.) Teach Children They're Probably Gaye & Don't Know It Yet. 5.) Erase Memories of Democrat Racism in America. 6.) Eliminate the Electoral College. 7.) Bring Back NAFTA & the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreements. 8.) You Must Pay HIGH Taxes For Imaginary, unproven, 'man-made' Climate Change. 9.) God Doesn't Care How You Live Your Life. 10.) Identity-Politics/Racial/Gender/Class/Religious Division is GOOD. 11.) People Who NEVER Owned Slaves Must Pay 'Reparations' to People Who Never WERE Slaves. 12.) Guns Are Evil, Not the People Who Murder. 13.) Free Speech is GOOD As Long As You Say What WE Want. 14.) Our Opponents Are Guilty Until Proven Innocent. 15.) We Hate Donald Trump. 16.) hiLIARy is our Demagogue. 17.) Let the 16 Year-Olds Vote For Us. 18.) Let the Convicted Felons in Prison Vote For Us. 19.) If Elected We'll Promise to Give You Free Stuff. [tongue_smile]

Colo

All Fake Lies from Looney Toones Alex Jones Infowars & Lying Stormy Daniels Wuss JohnQ!!! Spewing the Russian Propaganda for the Lying Trump Puppet

JohnQTaxpayer

Colo Belial. Nobody believes Colo. [alien][pirate][ninja][tongue_smile][thumbdown]

WakeUpUS

'Cost of Freedom'



"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." Thomas Jefferson



Taking away the law-abiding citizen's guns will NEVER solve the problem. That's the OPPOSITE of 'common sense', which is typical of Leftist Democrat-Socialist operatives... Thomas Jefferson was a 'Classical' Liberal, which is a FAR CRY from the whacko Leftist 'liberals' of today. Today's crazy Liberals should look back to the genius Liberals of the past. [huh]

aj0201

Better with age...a better question is why is it military vets have “earned” their care at VA?

popski

Are you asking a serious question, aj?

aj0201

Yep. absolutely a serious question.

popski

In that case, every veteran has earned their VA care because they selflessly placed their lives on the line for this nation. I have no problem taking advantage of VA medical care after giving the US 32 years of service...writing a "personal" check for up to, and including, giving my up my life.

aj0201

I absolutely agree. And I agree that you should, rightfully, take advantage of that care. But let me ask you this. VA care is mostly government run. Completely. Government doctors, government nurses, etc. And to question the existence of VA is a sacred cow, so to speak. But vets “earn” this care. But any mention of a Medicare for all plan becomes a government overreach and supposedly going to end in lesser care. VA is government run. Medicare for all is privately run (government paid for). One is proudly earned, one is a political hot button that gets you labeled a socialist.

aj0201

Put another way, vets earn socialized medicine, everybody else should stay away (even though Medicare isn’t really socialized)

JohnQTaxpayer

When you vote for & consistently defend the narratives of Socialist-minded people, you kinda 'lump yourself in' with them, Vaj. [tongue_smile][beam][cool]

aj0201

Umm, what? What socialist narrative have I defended?

popski

The key word is "earned". Giving medicare to all, even those who have not contributed to the medicare funds, is not right.

aj0201

We already insure those people popski. It’s called Medicaid. And that isn’t the point. Why is it “earning” socialized medicine is good, but a system that covers everyone is bad? And that system isn’t socialized, at least to the point VA is?

jdw64485

Are you really asking that question.? But you claim your questions are never replied too. Our veterans has earned their va benefit protecting you. And better with age. The older population for the most part is either disabled or has worked to earn it. Medicare for all for the most part is a free give away program that will cost more than the working tax payers can afford.

zzsnot303

question aj0201... did you serve in the military, for our country, or did you chicken out and hide behind your leftist ideals ?

aj0201

Chicken out? No. I chose college over the military after long consideration. I talked to a marine recruiter for several weeks and took a pre ASVAB test in his office. In the end, my career goals didn’t match up with what the military was able to provide (a career that I no longer do, btw). I chose a route other than the military, just like most people. It is one of the few things I regret at this point in my life. Looking back, I wish I had joined.

B4

aj's excuses make it the most hilarious comment on the forum today....listen to that babbling! Hahahaha! [whistling]

aj0201

Where’d you serve B4?

James Bond1

Not sure that's a very good answer...………..I chose College...…...picked up my Deploma……….and headed for Fort Bliss. It's not a matter of either/or.

aj0201

For me, it was. I chose college and a career. Like most Americans do.

B4

aj is punting - just absolutely hilarious! He's so entertaining today...maybe instead of pretending he has a counseling service, he should pretend he's in show biz! [lol][beam][lol][beam]

aj0201

Ducking the question. I have no problem with my answer but you duck the question and curiously call it punting. It seems you’re the one “punting.” So again I ask, where’d you serve?

B4

I would be happy to answer your question if it wasn't for the fact that you stalk every single person on this forum desperately trying to find out their identity so you can make denigrating comments about them. I'm not punting...just playing it smart!

zzsnot303

the military actually provides more educational and "hands-on" learning experiences than any college will offer

aj0201

And saying, “I was in the army” is going to reveal your identity? I don’t give a rats behind to anyone’s identity. I couldn’t care less. You seem preoccupied with that given your accusations of Colo and some of the other posters. You accuse me of being modnd. It seems that’s your preoccupation. Cmon, where did you serve?

popski

The military isn't meant for everyone...not everyone CAN be a military member. I don't deride someone for choosing college and a career over the military...I understand that. However, I know many who feel I'm in the military ONLY because I couldn't do anything else...which is simply untrue. It's also a misconception that one must choose one over the other. I know tons of military members, just on my base, who have advanced degrees...some of them doctorates. Many, many Master's degrees and a majority of our members have at least a Bachelor's degree. Education is very important to the military...and we enjoy a large percentage of our personnel who are highly educated.

That also means there are a lot of highly skilled, well-educated men and women NOT in the military. To denigrate one over the other is illogical and ignorant.

I can appreciate aj not entering the military. I also appreciate that he/she thought long and hard about it, but made an informed choice. I did the same, 39 years ago. I think both of us have no regrets.

aj0201

Actually, not joining the military is the closest thing I have to a regret in my life. But that’s with the benefit of 30+ years of hindsight. At 18, it wasn’t for me and I didn’t look back. I very much enjoyed and admired my Marine recruiter. I also briefly spent time with a Navy recruiter. He was off-putting. Several years ago, the History channel did a series on making Marines. I watched and realized how valuable that experience would have been.



zz, as for more opportunities, that’s debatable but the military doesn’t offer some things as a career. They just don’t. What I went to college for they didn’t have and couldn’t help me. That’s just plain fact.

jdw64485

aj, I'll be up front i never served. I was drafted in 1962. But was classified by the draft board as f4. Unable to serve due to physical disability.

aj0201

Well, you stood in line and did your duty. Good for you jdw. You didn’t shirk your duty. B4 appears to hide under a rock. What’d he say last night? “Silence is golden....?”

James Bond1

aj0201...……...Now that is an uncalled for remark...….a "better question" indeed.

zzsnot303

military career opportunities.....yeah that's understandable aj.. i get it

Munchkin3

Enough is enough.....We sure can see where you get your news from. This is hate pushed by MSNBC. The president hasn't broken any laws. He abides by the Constitution. Get your facts right!

WakeUpUS

'World of Trumps'



What were we thinking? Simple. We were thinking, "This man wants the SAME things WE want for America, while the evil she-Witch wants what the Globalist enslavers want for Americans." That sums it up. But she's still saying, "What Happened..?". That's the sign of a pure sociopath. [huh]

WakeUpUS

Oh YEAH... Didn't Vaj0201 vote FOR the evil she-Witch sociopath..? [tongue_smile][whistling]

zzsnot303

yes, of course he did, however... one has a right to vote his choice..

Colo

Even if you Vote for a Pathological Lying Traitor

aj0201

Yes I did. Like most other voters. I wish I had written in a candidate. I voted for the she-witch over the serial philanderer, crotch grabbing, narcissistic sociopath.

jdw64485

You picked wrong

aj0201

Yeah. I did. Like I said, I shoulda picked someone else and written them in.

JohnQTaxpayer

+1 jdw! [cool][thumbup]

zzsnot303

oh man... you just hadda say "crotch grabbing".........OOPS

zzsnot303

i wrote in Halle Berry....she got my one vote :(

Colo

And you Mental Midgets Voted for a Pathological Lying Criminal Traitor

zzsnot303

if i was an illegal i'd vote 20 times for Trump lmao

zzsnot303

enough is enough: America would be better without idiots like you. enough said !!

Colo

Hahahahaha. Wall Street Journal “Trump is to Dumb to Handle the Trade War”!!!! 😊😊😃😃🙄🙄😱😱

B4

colo - I have a copy of the Holt Co Plat Book...your so called "farms" aren't even big enough to hold an outdoor toilet... they're only listed in the directory cause they are so tiny there's not enough space for them to show on the plat map. What a fake! No wonder your hometown laughs at you!

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