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Have a heart

It is hateful to call migrants a free-for-all mass swarming of illegals storming our borders, as one letter writer did. The president and the alleged shooter in El Paso both used words much like that.

Killing them softly

In reference to a letter, “Guns do kill people,” guns are a weapon of choice. If it wasn’t a gun and a person wanted to kill someone, they would find another tool. A gun is just a tool.

I’m entitled

To the person who wrote about Social Security for old people, we paid that in. We worked and we paid that in. Not like people today. People today want Social Security, they want all this free stuff, because they’re too lazy to get out and work. They want welfare, they want food stamps, they want shoes for their kids, they want free lunches, they want this, they want that — but they won’t to get out and work for it like we did. We worked and we paid into it, so we are entitled to it. Let them work like we did, because it didn’t hurt us. It made us better citizens because we didn’t want everything handed to us.

Editor’s note: Under existing regulations, someone who doesn’t accrue enough work hours might not be able to get Social Security benefits.

Stand up

How dare President Donald Trump tell an American citizen to be quiet, and why aren’t Republicans standing up for our freedom of speech rights?

Blame the shooter

The blame game is on high volume now that there have been two more senseless mass shootings. I’m curious whether anyone thinks the blame rest squarely on the shoulders of the shooters. We have, for far too long, tried to shift responsibility from the person who commits the offense onto someone else. We are all responsible for our own actions, not somebody else.

Shifting policies

Things change. They evolve, and people should do the same thing. So that person who called in and talked about the history of the Democratic Party, if you do not like those values, well, don’t be a Republican, because those are now Republican values. The policies have shifted. I wish people were better educated.

Clearing it up

Not everybody in this town with a backpack on is a meth addict.

(227) comments

aj0201

Big smiles and thumbs up for all the orphans in El Paso, right? 😀👍

aj0201

You guys have proved that you believe that if something or someone is scary looking, the government has a right to intervene. Sounds like gun control advocates when they talk about an “assault weapon.”

zzsnot303

just more psyco babble.. threat of terrorists is REAL

aj0201

So now American citizens engaging in lawful activities are a terror threat? Snowflake! ❄️

jdw64485

All we have proven is we conservatives want to protect Americans. Weather it be from foreign powers or illegal immigrants or American citizens. And if the police needs to detain someone for questioning in regards to suspicious behavior, so be it. Better safe than sorry.

aj0201

Sounds like 1930s Germany jdw. Or the Soviet Union. Take your pick. What we have today is the fact that open carry can be considered terrorist threats. What gun makes that happen?

Colo

Lying Dicky Nixon Resigned 45 Years ago today..... And Republicans are Far More Crooked & Corrupt now Than Back Then!!

aj0201

So on a forum that is not known for changing people’s minds, I believe I have changed mine. It’s becoming obvious that red flag laws would increase the likelihood of people being falsely accused of ill intention. The Springfield Walmart issue being proof of that. This man engaged in no criminal activity but people are good with his arrest and questioning. Yes Marty, I think I agree. I’ll keep an open mind for the time being, but I’m definitely leaning toward red flag laws being a bad idea. That said, I do support pretty heavy regulation on the buying a weapon, but assuming you can meet those requirements, I say own and carry what you want for the most part. But people have lost their minds that it’s ok to arrest someone for a legal activity.

popski

I wasn't aware he was arrested...I only read he was detained and questioned. I see nothing wrong with that.

aj0201

News report said arrest. Even detained is wrong according to law. The police cannot turn a lawful activity into suspicion of an illegal activity. If he had his hand on the trigger, or had the gun in an up and ready position, then yes, I’m with them. That’s against the law. But I’ve read even the fireman stopped him outside as he was leaving. But yeah, I’ll recant every post if they show that he had his finger on a trigger or his gun was up. Til then, they unlawfully detained and arrested him.

popski

I disagree. Considering everything...what he was doing, how he was acting, what he was wearing and carrying...AND less than a week from a very horrific event...I think it was prudent to detain and question him. I find it very humorous that you'd suggest otherwise when others have complained that SOMEONE should have stopped, detained and questioned the shooter last week.

aj0201

The law agrees with me. He didn’t break a law. Period.

popski

Um...according to US precedent law and the Supreme Court, I think you'd be wrong.

aj0201

Show me a precedent that says a person can be arrested or detained for engaging in lawful behavior.

popski

I already cited legal precedence that allows a person to be detained for suspicious behavior. If you don't think this guy's actions, dress and weapons, in less than a week following another shooting in another Walmart, should have aroused suspicion...then you're not the guy I thought you were...

aj0201

You cannot he detained for suspicious behavior. That’s false.

aj0201

I didn’t say he wasn’t suspicious. I’ve never said that. But he wasn’t breaking a law.

aj0201

I will say a “Terry stop” is warranted but that is supposed to be brief. Extended detainment is unwarranted here.

zzsnot303

he was filming himself as he was walking, and grabbing a shopping cart...scaring masses of people can be considered a terrorist threat

zzsnot303

popski is ABSOLUTELY correct

zzsnot303

Totally Wrong

aj0201

No. I’m not responsible for how people react when I’m engaged in a lawful act. There is no law that says I have to be mindful of how others react. THE MAN DID NOT BREAK THE LAW! At least based on what we know. I’ll bet $1 he’s either released or charged with peace disturbance and even that’ll be dropped.

zzsnot303

..may be charged with making a terrorist threat

zzsnot303

best you get legal advice since you are far far off base

aj0201

He has to have made a terror threat for there to be a charge of one. I will concede we don’t know what he has said, but based on available information he hasn’t committed a crime.

JohnQTaxpayer

It's not this forum that is not known for changing people’s minds, it's YOUR comments, vaj, which are not known for changing people’s minds. [huh][whistling]

aj0201

How many minds have you changed here Wake?

JohnQTaxpayer

More than we'll ever know.[wink][huh]

Marty_Chuzzlewit

Don't try to fool me, AJ, or other IYC contributors into believing you are not supportive of a federal red flag law irrespective of the reputational AND financial damage done to victims (yes, victims) of maliciously false accusations. He!!, AJ would undoubtedly favor a 1-800-RED-FLAG number where anonymous callers could vent their rage against anyone of their choice. A FEDERAL red flag law would be a disaster of immense proportions. States are considering laws which contain at least some measures of sanity. One I am familiar with would limit those with standing to refer potential "red flag" threats to authorities, not just someone who the person has somehow offended. This makes sense, but not a federal open-to-accuse-for-any-or-no-reason law.....this would be chaos.

aj0201

No. I’m serious. No joke. No traps. This man in Springfield was unlawfully detained and arrested for legal activity. That people fail to see that is beyond me.

zzsnot303

he was a stupid kid, making a video for you tube or such...his dress and weaponry was considered suspicious, he was detained by a private person until the police arrived, panicked a mass of people with his action, and thus charged with making a terrorist threat, ALL PERFECTLY LEGAL. obvious your mind is not a legal mind aj...stick to psyco babble

aj0201

What made his weaponry suspicious? A black t shirt? What made his black T-shirt suspicious? A “tactical rifle?” (Their word, not mine). And you cannot be arrested for suspicion. Police have to have probable cause.

jdw64485

Then he should file suit against the Springfield police department. For unlawful detention. See how far that goes in a court of law

jdw64485

aj your right he can't be arrest with out probable cause. But he can be detain and question for reasonable time on suspicious activity

aj0201

No he can’t. He can be detained under a Rerey stop for 20 minutes. But then they have to let him go. During that time, he is not obligated to answer any questions. He’s not even obligated to show his ID or ID himself in any manor prior to arrest.

zzsnot303

you need a different college background

zzsnot303

panicking a mass of people is ok with you aj ?

I'maLumberjack...

If anyone ever stumbles upon this site, they will learn one thing. St Joseph, Missouri is filled with right-wing idiots. They won't care if you actually live in Savannah or Mound City; just a bunch of uneducated hillbillies.

popski

Nice of you to notice some of us are "right wing" conservatives. I'm not a "hillbilly", though...I prefer "HillWilliam". I'm a bit more upscale!! Please learn the difference!!

JohnQTaxpayer

Happy to see we have a lot of Conservative Second Amendment advocates left, LJ![beam][cool][thumbup]

Colo

Trump said today it’s time for Background Checks!! But of Course, he’s Always Lying

Colo

St Joe has always been a Hotbed of Racial Hate groups

zzsnot303

especially ones that colo sponsers

zzsnot303

don't forget a few utter assho**s too

B4

There's a photo showing the Texas shooter posing with others including Maxine Waters. Surely the Dems wouldn't have had anything to do with the shooting? Deep state???

aj0201

Lie

Colo

Blatant Liar B4.... He was a Racist Radical Trump Traitor

B4

He wrote online that he's a democrat.

aj0201

Where?

B4

aj - since it appears you have nothing to do, I suggest you google it. It's in several sources. Now, don't keep those "clients" waiting for your "counseling"....hahahaha!

aj0201

I did. Don’t see it. You’re making it up. Oh, by the way, where’d you serve?

zzsnot303

yep, he sure did write that he was a democrat

aj0201

So if I walk into a Walmart with my Glock 23 open carry, another person has the right to detain me and the police have the right to take me in to question me?

popski

No...but if you're in camo clothes, wearing a flak vest, openly carrying 100+ rounds in extra clips, and a sidearm AND a long rifle...all within a week of someone else doing the exact same thing at another Walmart...you are asking for trouble.

Funny thing...even on this forum last week...the question was asked "Didn't anyone see that guy walk into the Walmart openly carrying a rifle? Why didn't someone stop him...stop and ask questions.."

You can't have it both ways. Carrying your Glock on your belt is one thing...walking around in Walmart dressed that way, with tons more firepower...it's his own fault and I'm GLAD they detained him. Maybe he had no sinister intent...but if he DID...they just saved lives.

aj0201

Camp clothes=legal

“Flak vest” = legal

Multiple magazines = legal

Long rifle = legal

Handgun= legal

Add all that up and you get a reason to arrest and question? Which one is it that puts it over the line for you? The difference in firepower between an AR platform and a Glock 23 is availability of rounds. Nobody knew he had 100+ rounds when he walked in. Same with a person and their Glock. So what’s the line of acceptable firepower to walk around with?

popski

Maybe it was the combination of all those things...AND a shooting at another Walmart within less than a week by a guy with a rifle. I think you're simply arguing to be argumentative.

B4

popski - did you see what I posted several weeks ago about aj? He admitted he uses the Socratic method of discussion. Google it and you'll understand.

B4

Peter Kreeft is the author of several books using Socratic logic - aj probably owns every one of them. We need to pray that his Wordsmith program doesn't start turning out racist comments. Hahahaha!

aj0201

No. I’m arguing the law. You should not be arrested for legal activity. You should not be held at gunpoint by a private citizen for exercising your constitutionally protected rights. He broke no law. Period.

popski

Exactly which law would you be citing?

popski

If you'll go look at one of my later posts, you'll see I've cited some actual law...and court judgements...that back up my position. Not sure what law to which you might be referring...

zzsnot303

aj your bulls*t stinks. legal in your weird mind means only WHAT you can p**s people off with

aj0201

zz, open carry is legal. Wearing cargo pants is legal. Wearing a bullet proof vest is legal. Video on a cell is legal. How do you add up these legal activities into an illegal one?

zzsnot303

ALL together, reasonable terrorist threat... go back to school aj

zzsnot303

try it..it might be fun....for you

zzsnot303

simple..adding them together , creating mass panic, is a felony, a terrorist threat, punishable by 4 years in prison

B4

Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and it's not the weapons used.



https://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-psychotropic-drugs/?fbclid=IwAR36GJRyvLw9kRjJYNegQnDiXmCczpc1SeYp9zzrT4CU3F4sSDclKoJufLo#ixzz5vanIKJxr



The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.



Multiple credible scientific studies going back more than a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information, show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior.

zzsnot303

that being aj's specialty

zzsnot303

US Border Patrol agents detained or blocked 82,049 migrants at the frontier with Mexico last month, down from 104,367 in June and a 13-year peak of 144,266 in May.



DHS credited a deal with Mexico in June to stem the flow of migrants traveling northward to the United States from Central America -- mainly Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador -- as well as cooperation by the three in cracking down on migrant smuggling groups. ( keep up the good work !!!!)

B4

Did you see where a guy killed two men with an ax behind KC church a couple days ago? You know things like this would never happen if there weren't so many axes around. I mean really you can just walk in any store and buy an axe over the counter....We must have stronger legislation, especially on assault style Axes.....🤣

popski

It's not an assault axe unless you paint it black...

B4

popski - [beam]

jdw64485

It also must be a double edge black axe to qualify as a assault axe.

popski

Dagnabit, jdw...don't you know there are regular axes that are double-edged?? It's only the black paint that makes it "assault" scary!!

Colo

25,000 Killed with Guns since Sandy Hook!! Racist Republicans Own this

jdw64485

Another BS statement from colo. Absolutely nothing but bull cr ap

aj0201

For all we know about Springfield, a good guy with a gun detained another good guy with a gun. The man with the rifle broke no laws.

popski

So do we really want to wait until he breaks the law before we do something? If he was truly not doing anything wrong, nothing will happen to him. Detaining him was prudent.

aj0201

Private citizens have no right to detain other private citizens at gunpoint. And police have no lawful reason to detain a person who is engaged in lawful activities. They can stop to question, but he isn’t bound to stay and answer.

popski

OK...so let's do what you're suggesting...let the guy open up on other shoppers in the Walmart...and THEN detain him. Don't you see how that's a little late??

popski

As for questioning...that's exactly what they did. WHILE they're questioning him, in secure detention, they'll also check his social media accounts to determine if there was any intent. If there wasn't...and if all this guy was doing was being an idiot...they'll release him and nothing more will come of it.

I'd rather not wait until he actually starts shooting before we stop him...wouldn't you?

aj0201

What law did he break that requires questioning in secure detention?

James Bond1

if they don't stay and answer, I would think they should stop them and check them out.

aj0201

You’re not bound to answer police questions if you’re not breaking the law James.

beelog

Yes, they should have waited until AFTER he shot a few people, right?

popski

As far as I know, aj...he didn't break ANY laws. However, removing him from the area, securing him and his weapons was a prudent move. If he did nothing wrong, and if they can determine he had no sinister intent, he'll go on his merry way.

For the life of me...I cannot see how or why you're defending this guy and criticizing the detainment...

popski

...and I must remind you that you ARE legally bound to answer police questions, regardless of whether you broke the law or not. If you do NOT answer the questions, it's called "obstruction of investigation"...and that's a crime.

aj0201

Bee, what law did he break that resulted in arrest or detainment?

aj0201

You’re obliged????? Ever hear of the right to remain silent????

popski

In Terry v. Ohio, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a person can be stopped and briefly detained by a police officer based on a reasonable suspicion of involvement in a punishable crime. If the officer has reasonable suspicion the detainee is armed, the officer may perform a "pat-down" of the person's outer garments for weapons. Such a detention does not violate the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizure, though it must be brief. Reasonable suspicion does not provide grounds for arrest; however, an arrest can be made if facts discovered during the detention provide probable cause that the suspect has committed a crime.

In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada the Court further established that a state may require, by law, that a person verbally identify himself or herself to an officer during a stop. Some states, like Colorado, require that a person detained provide additional information. Missouri is not one of those states.



I might add that the key word in this is "brief". I refuse to debate whether this guy's detention was brief. I wasn't there...I'm not a police officer involved in the investigation. I did read that with further investigation, this guy was charged with making terroristic threats, based on his social media postings. Maybe he wasn't so innocent, as aj wants to insinuate.

aj0201

A Terry stop is 20 minutes. As for his terrorist threat, last I knew it was for suspicion of that threat. Not that he actually made one.

zzsnot303

oh yes they do !!!!

zzsnot303

a private citizen has the right to detain another private citizen if he feels he is threatened or bystanders are threatened. ask your own lawyer aj..YOU ARE WRONG, as usual

aj0201

Haha! Wrong. I’d keep walking.

zzsnot303

detain yes, ask questions, determine motives.. quite prudent

aj0201

Quite unconstitutional.

zzsnot303

Miranda rights only occur at the time of arrest...not during preliminary questioning

aj0201

And imagine that? Someone has to break the law for them to be accused of a crime? Yes. That’s how the country works. The man committed no crime. Not one. All we have is one guy pointing his gun at another guy and a store manager pulling a fire alarm for a guy who is breaking no law.

jdw64485

You advocate tighter gun regulations. But don't want to ask a gun carrying man who may or may not have bad intentions. Any questions.

aj0201

This man was not committing a crime. The police have no right to question him. Well, they can question but he isn’t obliged to answer them.

popski

By all means...let's just wait till he starts emptying his clips into innocent victims...THEN we can detain him...yeah...that makes TONS of sense!

aj0201

So every person who is open carrying should be detained to determine motive???? Cmon!

popski

AJ...please think logically. In this case, to wait for him to break a law could have cost lives. I cannot understand your reticence in this case...

popski

AJ...stop being obtuse!! There are people carrying guns in stores every day in Missouri. It's allowed. The problem was the COMBINATION of things...not just that he was packing heat...

zzsnot303

suspicion is enough for detainment..you better brush up your legal skills and less psyco babble

aj0201

Popski, you can’t combine multiple lawful acts into one unlawful one. What crime did he commit??

beelog

when it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.....

zzsnot303

aj think logically? boy that's the biggest laugh of the day

zzsnot303

he was armed to the hilt, filming himself on his phone, probably to be a wacko on social media, but nonetheless a WACKO

zzsnot303

keep in mind, aj has sooo many clients he feels he must argue here with EVERYTHING just to fill his day

aj0201

I see 5-6 clients a day. Mental grappling with you takes up a sweet 10 minutes of that day.

zzsnot303

apparently he broke the law...terrorism threat.... put that in your psyco cup of tea aj

aj0201

Last I read he was being held on suspicion of making a threat. They’re going to have a problem with a detention on suspicion alone. They need probable cause to make an arrest.

zzsnot303

he WAS charged...there's your probable cause

zzsnot303

aj ..face it, you are 100 percent WRONG

popski

Headline in today's paper...

"Entire bicycle fleet missing from Pony Express Bike Share"



I predicted this would happen!! What on EARTH did the THINK would be the result of just having a bunch of "shared" bicycles around? Guaranteed...they're long gone, folks...and if you spend money replacing them, you're simply pouring money into a bottomless hole...too many thieves in this town...

zzsnot303

oh, those stolen bikes are going to be replaced by the same DUMB people who put them there...but replaced with more expensive bikes (to get them stolen faster)

WakeUpUS

Dr. Robert Epstein, Harvard PhD in Behavioral Science with 40 years of experience, has always been Left/Central Left philosophically. But Dr. Epstein testifies before Congress about how Google has used & IS USING 'Search-Engine Manipulation' to alter Election results, stealing them for their candidate(s). hiLIARy's #1 financial supporter in the 2016 Election was 'Alphabet', Google's parent company... SHOCKING. [ohmy]

WakeUpUS

The Democrat 2020 Election Platform' 1.) Tear Down the U.S. Security Border Wall. 2.) Kill Babies at the Time of Birth. 3.) Let Illegal Aliens Vote & Get Welfare. 4.) Teach Children They're Probably Gaye & Don't Know It Yet. 5.) Erase Memories of Democrat Racism in America. 6.) Eliminate the Electoral College. 7.) Bring Back NAFTA & the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreements. 8.) You Must Pay HIGH Taxes For Imaginary, unproven, 'man-made' Climate Change. 9.) God Doesn't Care How You Live Your Life. 10.) Identity-Politics/Racial/Gender/Class/Religious Division is GOOD. 11.) People Who NEVER Owned Slaves Must Pay 'Reparations' to People Who Never WERE Slaves. 12.) Guns Are Evil, Not the People Who Murder. 13.) Free Speech is GOOD As Long As You Say What WE Want. 14.) Our Opponents Are Guilty Until Proven Innocent. 15.) We Hate Donald Trump. 16.) hiLIARy is our Demagogue. 17.) Let the 16 Year-Olds Vote For Us. 18.) Let the Convicted Felons in Prison Vote For Us. 19.) If Elected We'll Promise to Give You Free Stuff. [tongue_smile]


Colo

Wuss Stormy Daniels Lying Again. Copy & Paste Liar!!

popski

You seem obsessed with Stormy Daniels. Are you a pornoholic?? LOL!!

JohnQTaxpayer

[beam] +1 popski!

Colo

Wuss is definitely the Stormy Daniels... !!! 🙄🙄🤡🤡😱😱. Hahahahaha

WakeUpUS

Interviewer: "Senator Sanders, Why Do YOU Want to Let Millions of Illegals Into the Country..?".......... Bernie: "Because They Will Do Jobs That Most Americans NO Longer Want To Do.."........ Interviewer: "Like WHAT..?"........ Bernie: "Like VOTE For Democrats." [beam][whistling][lol][tongue_smile]

Colo

Hahahahaha. Another Trump State Dept Official Resigns & Wrote a Blistering Review of Lying Orange Oranghatan Dementia Donnie’s Racist Administration

Colo

Stormy Daniels Wuss Is Lying again

WakeUpUS

Webster's Dictionary:

'RACIST' (rA-Sis-T), noun. 1. 'One who is NOT a Democrat.', 2. 'One who does NOT agree with Democratic falsehoods.'

Colo

RACIST..++=. REPUBLICAN!!

GOP. Government of Putin

beelog

Have a heart---There is a legal process by which to enter the country---we have that process because we have a heart. But no nation can allow people to cross the border illegally---there is no vetting process, no way of knowing their intentions, no way to determine if they have viral diseases, no way to know if they are armed, no way to know if they are bringing illegal drugs. Preference should be given to those who bring needed skills. We are in the process of mechanizing most jobs. What opportunity will there be for the uneducated, unskilled? They will simply add to the welfare burden. Oppression? It was here, and we reacted with the Boston Tea Party.

aj0201

Taxes are more oppressive than violence?

beelog

The point of my post is that we are not a heartless nation---we take immigrants who follow the "legal" process. Most nations are not nearly as generous as the U.S.

JohnQTaxpayer

The newest & final season of 'Orange Is the New Black' was entirely a propaganda piece promoting sympathy for Illegal Alien lawbreakers, while demonizing law-enforcement, in addition to it's normal sexual depraved content... [tongue_smile]

beelog

Stand up--(freedom of speech)---where were you when protesters have prevented conservative speakers from giving talks on college campuses. Where were you when invited speakers were cancelled because they are conservative? NOTE: When a speaker has the floor (as did Trump)--trying to interrupt is extremely rude and the person should be told to sit down and shut up. Not long ago students were listening to a guest speaker at Missouri Western when a group of ethnic students entered and talked and laughed so loudly students were unable to hear the speaker--when asked to be quiet, they became louder and threatened personal violence. How do you feel about that?

beelog

Blame the shooter---what is senseless is blaming an inanimate object. My guns are in their closet and for years have not harmed anyone---maybe they're just lazy??

JohnQTaxpayer

A gun is only a Tool. It needs an angry Leftist Democrat whacko in order to kill a bunch of people. [huh]

Colo

But you’re Definitely Delusional since the El Paso Killer is a Radical Right Wing Freak who Followed Scum Bag Donnie’s White Nationalist Manifesto

James Bond1

Mine were in the basement for years...………….now, one is loaded, on the first floor hiding behind some furniture. Our world has changed too much...….!

beelog

Shifting policies---they're "down by the seashore, shifting sand". The problem in both parties is not controlling extremists, instead giving them credence. Personally I cannot belong to a party condoning the slaughter of innocent babies, or trying to solve every problem by simply throwing more money at it---taken from the working taxpayer.

beelog

Clearing it up---"not everybody in St. Joseph with a backpack is a meth addict"---some of them are heroin and cocaine addicts! [smile]

Colo

Bee is from a Bygone Era... Every Kid I see with a Backpack is a Student!! Hate is All you have Bee!! Must be a Very Miserable life

beelog

Springfield (MO)--A heavily-armed man, wearing body armor, entered a Wal-Mart in Springfield yesterday, apparently intending to do a mass shooting. An armed citizen (an off-duty fireman) managed to stop the man and hold him until the cops arrived. Note: An armed citizen prevented the mass shooting. Each had a gun. One used his to protect customers and save lives! Yes, guns can take lives---they can also save lives.

WakeUpUS

Leftists want citizens DISARMED so we're at the mercy of 'the government' to 'Save' us... [whistling]

aj0201

Seems like you’re jumping the gun a bit (no pun intended). What law did the man in Springfield break? Open carry is legal in Missouri. And Walmart generally allows it. How do you know his intent?

JohnQTaxpayer

Vaj's typical 'questions' of Mia-direction...[whistling][alien]

jdw64485

Oh the alleged shooter must have been a Democrat that would make it ok

aj0201

Jdw that’s nonsense. The shooter in Dayton apparently supported democrats. He’s as bad as the guy in El Paso.

JohnQTaxpayer

'Mis-direction'

aj0201

Misdirection? How? What law did the guy break? In Missouri it is legal to open carry. And Walmart has no rule. And a bullet proof vest isn’t illegal. What law did he break?

jdw64485

Do I know his intent nope. But put two and two together. Being heavily armed plus wearing body armor should throw up a big red flag. The off duty fireman did the right thing. How can anyone question his action.

zzsnot303

consider the source.. it's just aj psyco-babble

James Bond1

I wouldn't "Question" his action...…..I would complement him.

beelog

It is "common sense", something severely lacking on the Left. By the same logic, if we detect Russian bombers coming over the north pole we should wait until they drop the bombs before taking action! "We don't know their intent".

aj0201

Bee, that’s not even close to the same thing.

popski

Really, aj? After all, they hadn't done anything yet. In many cases, they've not even yet entered US airspace before they're intercepted and escorted out. If they haven't done anything wrong...committed no crime...why treat them as criminals??

aj0201

Last I knew, Russians weren’t US residents protected by the Constitution.

zzsnot303

at a time when the nation is panicked about mass shootings, why would anyone NOT stop this man for questioning

zzsnot303

pretty dumb post aj

James Bond1

When in doubt...………………………………!

Colo

Remember... Trump is definitely Mentally deranged and the Stupidest Lying President Ever!!! Another State Department Official Quits & Says Trump is a Pathological Lying Racist

popski

uh-huh...no evidence he committed any crime...and you say there should have been no intervention...no questions...nothing.

Yet, there is no evidence that President Trump committed any crime...at least not enough evidence to charge him...and you want him impeached.

Seems like a gross double-standard to me, my friend...

aj0201

What???? There’s all kinds of evidence!! There were no conclusion about indictment. But there was all kinds of evidence.

popski

Not enough to charge him with anything...according to Mueller's report AND testimony. Sorry...your two minutes are up!!

aj0201

Ugh. Insufficient evidence doesn’t mean no evidence.

Colo

El Paso Killer is a Right Wing White Nationalist who follows Lying Trump

beelog

aj---He signaled his intent by carrying an assault rifle and wearing body armor. Anyone behaving in such a manner is sending a signal to reasonable people that he is up to no good. If he had no bad intentions, he is delusional---as is anyone who suggests we wait until he shoots before taking action

aj0201

What’s an assault rifle?

popski

Good question, aj. Please answer it for us. I've been asking that for quite some time and NO ONE has provided an answer. Please...I'm waiting...

aj0201

Well, the way I see it, either all rifles are assault rifles, or none of them are. But bee proved a point here, didn’t he?

popski

That's quite possibly one of the smartest things you've ever posted, aj. I'm still waiting for some anti-gun activist to explain the difference between a semi-auto rifle and an assault rifle.

Colo

Mueller said Trump committed Perjury & Could NOT... COULD NOT, be Exonerated on Obstruction!! Plus that the Republicans Russian Puppet CAN BE INDICTED On Jan 21, 2021

aj0201

Have a heart, the word is “invasion” and that is a deliberate misrepresentation of what is happening. It’s designed to scare and inflame those whose thinking is quite shallow (just watch the responses to this post). Invasions are by armies. Or insects. Not poor people fleeing poverty and violence. But if they can dehumanize them and scare the low educated, they get votes.

beelog

Are you kidding? It is the Democrats who look at the border and only see Democrat voters. The people crossing the border are no different than common thieves--they are breaking the law. Do you understand the concept of "illegal"?

aj0201

Illegals don’t vote.

zzsnot303

not yet..but if the Demcrats have their way, they will....meanwhile taxpayers have to support the welfare system for these INVADERS

popski

Actually, that's not true. Many DO vote...in local elections. Still not right...still illegal.

aj0201

Illegals aren’t eligible for welfare.

popski

But many are receiving welfare and other public assistance. Especially in states like California where the governor is overtly assisting the illegal population.

popski

According to statistics from the Center for Immigration Studies, approximately 63% of non-citizens access some kind of welfare...

aj0201

That is a very temporary assistance.

popski

"Temporary"? I thought you said none of them received any welfare. Which way do you want to tell your story??

aj0201

“ Undocumented immigrants, including DACA holders, are ineligible to receive most federal public benefits, including means-tested benefits such as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, sometimes referred to as food stamps), regular Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for health care subsidies under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and are prohibited from purchasing unsubsidized health coverage on ACA exchanges.



Undocumented immigrants may be eligible for a handful of benefits that are deemed necessary to protect life or guarantee safety in dire situations, such as emergency Medicaid, access to treatment in hospital emergency rooms, or access to healthcare and nutrition programs under the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC).”

aj0201

In a general sense, they’re not eligible. What they get is for fire emergencies and life saving. You’re opposed to saving lives?

aj0201

Delete the word “fire.” Don’t know why that slipped in there.

popski

They may be legally ineligible but according to studies, 63% are receiving assistance...

aj0201

Right. 63% receive these few, very temporary forms of assistance.

popski

Funny...these are the exact same words spoken by many Democrats only a few years ago. When we're talking about thousands streaming across a porous border, I'd call that an invasion.

By the way, the "armed invasion" is only one definition of "invastion". According to the dictionary, the following are ALSO valid definitions for that word...and accurate, as well, to our current situation.

INVASION:

- an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.

"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"

synonyms: influx, inundation, inrush, rush, flood, torrent, deluge, stream, avalanche

"every year the valley suffers an invasion of cars"



- an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

JohnQTaxpayer

THANK you popski for proving vaj0300 wrong. It IS an invasion.

aj0201

You know that’s not how the President means it when he says it. He is using the word to incite fear and loathing. That language got 40+ people shot the other day.

popski

Untrue, aj...and you know that, down inside. I agree with the President...it IS an invasion and I don't care how you characterize it. As for the shootings...the President had NOTHING to do with that. Blame the idiots who pulled the trigger. Blame them for allowing their hatred to run amok. Blame them for being unable to appreciate human life.

The President has been VERY clear in his statements that he opposes illegal immigration...but he welcomes anyone, of any color, who comes here legally.

zzsnot303

of course YOU think that..we read you like a book aj..

aj0201

He welcomes them unless they criticize him.

James Bond1

AJ.………..that is a lie.

B4

Perhaps these "invaders" could do like Omar did - marry a sibling to skip our immigration laws.

Colo

Except you are definitely Lying about that. You Clowns 🤡 don’t Realize How Incredibly Stupid Fake Fox makes you look!!! 🤡🤡🤡

zzsnot303

posters....go to college and get your aj doctrine in nonsense....

zzsnot303

it is NOT the mandate of the USA to take care of ALL the invading poor people of this world. Use your psyco babble aj, ..YOU can volunteer to care for those invaders !

aj0201

I have.

B4

aj has a hundred of them living with him in his home - he counsels them....hahahaha!

aj0201

Stand up...because Republicans have washed their hands if any moral values. The President only has to shoot someone on 5th ave and his claims will be correct. His supporters don’t care. Turns out a lot of Republicans are actually fascist.

beelog

aj---that my friend, is a gross exaggeration!

aj0201

You’re going to lecture about gross exaggerations? Stick it.

WakeUpUS

Not true, Vaj. More Leftist-skewed talking points. Turns out a lot of Democrats are actually Socialist.

Sociallyunacceptable

No wonder they call you Vaj these days.

popski

A very irresponsible and untrue post.

aj0201

I don’t think so. How many times have I been told “we didn’t vote him to be a Sunday school teacher?” or something similar? Well, no President is voted in to be that. But this man has a distinct lack of moral character. Just look at the pictures of him in Dayton. All smiles and thumbs up. He turned that into a campaign video!!! He lies multiple times a day. He has, in my opinion and many others, made racist comments toward members of Congress. (Again, why is Bernie not told to go back where he came from). There is nothing this man can do where his supporters would turn on him. And NONE of his behavior would be tolerated if it were Obama. Bee points to a comment (taken out of context) about Trayvon Martin and a comment about police acting stupidly as proof Obama was the most divisive president ever. TWO ISSUES! Yet Trump calls his political enemies names like a child. And that is far more than two. I’ve asked for and have yet to see anti American comments from the so called squad. Not one comment about how they hate America. And honestly, their comments about Israel does not rise to the level of anti Semitic in my book. It seems even being critical of Israel is considered anti Semitic to some and that just isn’t the case, at least to me. You guys have been blinded and you’ve compromised your moral standing politically speaking. The “Grand Old Party” has become the “Government of Putin.”

JohnQTaxpayer

Vaj seems jealous that he & Trump weigh the same, but Trump actually gets 'action' with the females... [beam][beam]

popski

Even before he arrived in El Paso and Dayton, the Democrats had ALREADY made it into a political event. I challenge you to provide any truly racist statements made by the President. Just one. He opposes ILLEGAL immigration...he does NOT oppose immigration. Please understand the distinction.

Do I like how he uses crass language at times? Nope...but he is not racist and he is not hateful.

zzsnot303

just MORE irrelevant aj babble.....

zzsnot303

beginning to sound like colo twin..

zzsnot303

if I was talking and you interrupted, I would tell you to SHUT UP

aj0201

I don’t interrupt kindergarteners.

zzsnot303

the ONLY kindergartener here is YOU

Colo

You’re not qualified to tell anyone to shut up

aj0201

Blame the shooter...I don’t know of anyone not blaming the shooter. The issue is figuring the cause of these shootings and the solution, if one can be had. But nobody is wanting to absolve the shooter.

WakeUpUS

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." Thomas Jefferson

Taking away the law-abiding citizen's guns will NEVER solve the problem. That's the OPPOSITE of 'common sense', which is typical of Leftist Democrat-Socialist operatives... Thomas Jefferson was a 'Classical' Liberal, which is a FAR CRY from the whacko Leftist 'liberals' of today. Today's crazy Liberals should look back to the genius Liberals of the past. [whistling]

zzsnot303

all the leftests are screaming gun control..it's not guns, it's the Democrats.. WHERE is Democrat "control"...or Moron Democrat "control", with all their witch hunts....

JohnQTaxpayer

The Leftist-controlled mass-media suppresses the Truth that 99% of whack-job mass-murderers are angry Leftist Democrats.

jdw64485

Even if that happens. Another shooter will pop up again.

popski

Apparently, aj, you're blaming President Trump for the shootings. Your own posts support that...

aj0201

Indirectly, based on shared language, yes. In El Paso.

popski

Nothing...NOTHING...the President has said supported any sort of violence. Now...would you like to discuss those on the other side who HAVE suggested violence toward conservatives and those who support the President?

aj0201

The President has said “we need to stop this invasion.” The El Paso shooter said he was Influenced by the “invasion.” According to the document, the attack was meant to provide an "incentive" for Hispanics to "return to their home countries", thus dissolving "the Hispanic voting bloc" in the United States. Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Sorry, I believe the President is indirectly responsible for the El Paso shooting. The guy even recognized his speech and tried to protect the president by saying his ideas predate Trumps. But he mirrored the language that Trump uses daily.

Kharnage86

The President is one of the most powerful people in the world, to think that what he says and what tone he uses doesn't make a difference then again your in denial, The President knows exactly what he is saying when he uses the platforms he uses and he should be much much much more responsible with how he uses that. Just brushing it aside is irresponsible of his supporters because what he says is important and he needs to realize that. Trump should be setting the example to follow which he most certainly is not the way he currently acts.

popski

Sorry, gentlemen...I totally disagree. You can say what you will...and you can demean and belittle me for my viewpoint, but I will not change my mind. You cannot, logically, blame the President for these despicable acts of violence. Unless, of course, you want to also blame President Obama for all the mass shootings that occurred on his watch...then, and ONLY then, would I consider changing my mind.

Oh...and kharnage...in the context with which you wrote "your"...the word is spelled "you're"...a contraction denoting "you are"....

aj0201

I can blame him indirectly. And I will. Show me a person who usedObamas language and then committed a mass murder and I’ll blame Obama for that.

Colo

El Paso Shooter was a Trumper

Colo

Lying Donnie Dementia is Totally Responsible for the Level of Violence & Hate in America!! 1000% Responsible!! El Paso Killer is a White Nationalist like Traitor Trump

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