Bearing the load

I see where Congress cleared a rescue bill, sending it to the president for Puerto Rico, so they can be solvent. When is Congress going to send a bill to the president so we can be solvent and not owe $18 to $19 trillion in debt that the middle-income people are bearing the load of?

Bad water

Here we go again. I live in Savannah, Missouri, where we have some of the highest water rates in the country and lo and behold our water is brown, again, and tastes like chlorine. I would appreciate it if anyone can help investigate this ongoing terrible thing that is going on with our water here in Savannah, Missouri.

Remember this?

Oh my gosh, after the Clinton announcement I can just hear the Republicans’ heads exploding. I am just wondering if they remember the Watergate incident. I was curious: did Nixon get convicted for that? I think he was pardoned by another Republican. Or the Iran-Contra affair that went against the Boland Amendment that made it illegal to sell arms to enemy states of the U.S.? However, we sold plenty of arms to Iran at the time, which happens to be the country that Republicans hate and despise the most. But that was OK. Ronald Reagan got off scot-free. As a friend of mine always says, “That was a Republican. It is completely different when they do something wrong.”

Destroying from within

Hillary hides her emails on a private server for years. The FBI investigates her to see if she is guilty like Patraeus and many others. Bill meets secretly with the attorney general. The attorney general agrees to accept the FBI’s findings. The FBI explains in detail how she’s guilty then says she shouldn’t be indicted. Obama takes Hillary campaigning on Air Force One. Great world powers are not destroyed by outside enemies. They destroy themselves from within by greed and corruption.

Keep verifying

I applaud Governor Nixon for vetoing the bill that Denny Hoskins wants to pass to get rid of E-verify. It is bad enough that we citizens have to pay higher taxes and medical because we are giving people that are here illegally everything for free. Now Hoskins wants to make it easier for them to take jobs from citizens. Hoskins needs to voted out of office. He is not looking out for the citizens of Missouri. Let’s leave Missouri in the 21st century and not move backwards.

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socialfingered

Someday they will make a movie about the meeting between Billy Bob Clinton and Loretta "Let's lynch us a whitey cop" Lynch but they'll have to search for a title. After all "Snakes On A Plane" has already been used.

James Bond1

OUR FBI...............did not swear Clinton in.........The Director chose not to be involved......sent the second team in. Hummmmmmmm

Penelope Goodbody

Please folks, I beg of you. Don't waste your time posting comments on this forum regarding the FBI decision for Ms Clinton - whether it was right or wrong. It is a total waste of your time. Instead call or email your representatives or senators and voice your opinions and thoughts to them - it is your privilege - let's make them accountable and worthy to receive your support and vote!

James Bond1

The Clintons put out a lot of money for that conclusion........since it was paid in advance...all is well.

modvd

Trump is indeed a scary guy. He plans to expand his constitutional power! He's going to add several new articles to the Constitution! This represents a dangerous turn for our country!!!

Sk00ter

And where did you come up with this BULL!!!

okay

While I really don't get into all the political stuff much, or at least I haven't since I was a young man, I must say it is quite entertaining seeing the DBs having such fits. It's like watching a three-year-old throwing a tantrum. So funny. The Republican convention should be a real circus. Might even be more entertaining than the debates.

Teddy Vandy

Comey, FBI director is an old hand at coverup regarding the Clintons:

Remember Whitewater? 20 years ago James Comey as an attorney on the Senate Whitewater Investigation was looking into the conduct of President Bill Clinton and first lady Hillary Clinton.The investigation was to determine whether Bill Clinton used his political position as governor of Arkansas (in the 1980s) to push through an illegal loan to benefit Bill and Hillary's business partner in Whitewater. Several
people involved in Whitewater went to jail, but no criminal prosecution was in the cards for Bill and Hillary. Remember James Comey was the Deputy Special Counsel for the Whitewater investigation....In Christopher Anderson's book, American Evita: Hillary Clinton's Rise to Power, Anderson gives details of the New Square offenders pardon by Bill Clinton (who had been convicted of bilking the government of $30 million dollars). Christopher Anderson relates that at Hillary's urging Bill gave clemency to 16 Puerto Rican terrorists who took the lives of 16 Americans and wounded many others.Anderson tell us that Hillary admired the Marxist Carl Oglesby and Saul Alinsky. It is from her admiration for Saul Alinsky that she formed her belief that "the only way to make a real difference is to acquire power." The pardon of billionaire Marc Rich (who traded illegally with America's enemies including Iran) by President Bill Clinton was something that everyone knew reeked of impropriety after learning that Rich's wife donated $450,000 to the Clinton Library. Again James Comey oversaw investigations of the pardon matters as well. Unbelievably James Comey did not recommend charging the Clintons in any of these matters.

Now isn't that just amazing!

James Bond1

Trump isn't "Presidential material"..........lets see how to deal with that. Your going to put up a canidate that is an acknowledged thief....? Maybe you should go back to the previous one who no one could vet...........wonder why....? Just what is it he has to hide..............shall we speculate. Put Trumps history in the background and he can come on board just like Obumer.

modvd

He knowingly encouraged others to break the law, violently. "Knock the c rap out of them!.........I'll pay the legal fees!"

Yeah, very presidential.

Sk00ter

Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan formally requested on Wednesday that presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton not receive classified information from the government during her time as a candidate.

Ryan’s request follows FBI Director James Comey’s recommendation on Tuesday that no criminal charges be brought against Clinton over her use of a personal email server as Secretary of State. Comey criticized Clinton and her staff for being “extremely careless” in handling classified information, noting that 110 of Clinton’s emails contained classified information at the time they were sent and received. On Thursday, he testified before Congress, where House Republicans grilled Comey about the investigation and its conclusions.

“As a former vice presidential nominee, I am keenly aware that Secretary Clinton is set to begin receiving classified intelligence briefings after the Democratic National Convention,” Ryan said in a letter to Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. “Given the FBI’s findings, denying Secretary Clinton access to classified information certainly constitutes appropriate sanctions. This is necessary to reassure the public that our nation’s secrets are secure.”

Content

I'll bet she gets whatever Trump gets and more. Trump won't understand any of it though.

James Bond1

NO DOUBT.......Hillary has paid through the nose.......she will get anything. The FBI director is a wealthy man.....and as such, he did not have Hillary sworn in.....for her testimony. and HE did not participate in question I airing her. who is in the bag. Pretty sad. He had a nice reputation................"had".......is past tense......

James Bond1

She'll get just what she pays for.......

James Bond1

CONTENT.........Clinton has NO qualifications except maybe a college degree. Her role as a Senator was a sad joke. She accomplished nothing. Her role as Secretary of State was worse.....her accomplishments were truly horrible for the United States. So she had two titles ....... Absolutely ZERO accomplishments and significant errors. You are peeing up the bark if you try to say Trump has no qualifications......his accomplishments are significant and that trash talk of insults is as shallow as your grey matter.......if there is any. Take any one of 35 or so trump buildings and you'll find very few people I who can find them. You'll find very few that can build them. And, a handful who can operate them. Trump has done it all. If I wanted something done, Trump , big mouth and all, can achieve a lot. You might also consider that Hillary has never earned a dime in her life.......she has been on the dole 100% of her miserable existence. Her first job was a Congressional sub committee and the Democratic Chairman fired her A. SS for bing a horrible liar.......and nothing has changed. She was 27 and going off the cliff..........SPLAT

modvd

He should pick Michael Bloomberg as his running mate, huh?

Content

JB - Trump was born with a silver spoon. His daddy handed him millions. Hillary grew up with less than you. She worked hard to earn her degrees and then put them to use with her earning power. Her education and hard work makes you look like the ignorant old man that you are and prove to us all daily.

Sk00ter

You need to get your facts correct? Content, way off base!!!

modvd

How so, sk00ter?

Content

Explain Sk00ter. Which base did I miss?

Sk00ter

MillionS -False

James Bond1

CONTENT..............You really have a problem thinking up new lies. She has never worked hard..........that dumb broad hasn't driven an automobile in 30 years....someone has to chaauffer her around. Earning power.....ranks ZERO. She has a much more noticable "stealing power" Trump indeed inherited a few bucks and look what he did with them.............built one heck of a Company. Heck I worked more in one day (when I was a "gandy-dancer" on the railroad) than Hillary ( or you) have worked in a lifetime.

Content

Hahahahaha JB...You are the only one talking like a dumb broad. You probably learned that on the railroad riding on the caboose.

James Bond1

she worked hard.............when......where.......for her..........? She got dumped by the Democratic Commttee she joined initially. She lost her law license....? All she's done is take taxpayer money and steal as much for the foundation as possible and trade US secrets for the rest. She's about as bad as you. In the real world you would get burned for hate speech. and you should. Calling Trump names is silly. He has thousands of people from variouus races and bvackgrounds and he pays them just fine. On foreign policy...............yeh, he knows a little about it........he's building Hotels in 7 countries...............what are you doing that you know so much.

modvd

He pays them just fine? There are several small business owners who would call him a swindler. He's reneged on paying several small contractors on jobs he hired them to do. Ran a few out of business. Yeah, he's a gem alright.

Teddy Vandy

So....what does inheritance or lack thereof have anything to do with presidential qualifications? Sounds like a jealousy issue on your part more than a qualifying issue. Green with jealousy? So sorry for your pitiful life - I hear the sucking sound....

Sk00ter

Hillary hard work - false She learned how to do as least as possible, and have you pay for it. Give a list of her accomplishments? PLease?

Colo

Hillary is Qualified... Trump is Not

modvd

Per the Constitution, they both are.

Content

True modvd...let's just say Trump is not presidential material any more than Sarah Palin was.

modvd

I'll go along with that...

Teddy Vandy

I didn't know Sarah Palin ever ran for president; what year was that? It must have been the year that Mrs. Vandy & I spent out of the country on our European odyssey vacation and we were having such a fabulous adventure that we didn't take time to keep up with the political happenings in the U.S. I sure wasn't aware that Ms Palin ever was a presidential candidate.

James Bond1

Is a thief "Presidential material".............

modvd

Well Eddie, some people look at the VP candidate and measure their worth and the worth of a presidential candidate by whether or not they are presidential. Remember, they are next in line. I was planning on voting for McCain until they picked Palin as his running mate. The thought of what would happen if she became the Prez was too much of a risk. It was the first time I ever wrote in a candidate.

Teddy Vandy

I guess MODVD wasn't paying attention - I directed my comment @Content. But nevertheless it was informative to have his excuse as to why he didn't vote for McCain...if anyone cares. BTW...does Content pay you to be his mouthpiece? Well, cheers to ya! Gotta earn a living somehow, don't ya?

modvd

Haha! If I could get Content or anyone to pay me for that if gladly take it. But alas, no. The way you describe your Europe vacation sounds eerily like a "gala event" your counterpart B4Changes went to. Perhaps you two were separated at birth?

Content

The postings/comments MODVD shares on this board are priceless.

Teddy Vandy

MODVD - your generosity to Content is very noble and duly noted. As far as a gala event...I've never been to one that I'm aware of...it sounds quite elegant. I believe I've read that the Obamas host gala events quite frequently (on our taxpayer dollars) but that's another whole other story for another day. Is it anything like a black tie event? Mrs. Vandy enjoys attending those but I'm more of a homebody. Actually our trip to Europe was to celebrate our 40th wedding anniversary and we thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Ah, springtime in Paris - very romantic! You should consider it - your wife would love it!

Colo

As per common sense, Hillary is Trump ISNT

modvd

Your heavy handed, obtuse reply is what gives you away.

We spent our 20th in Rome. Our first visit there. We prefer Rome to Paris and France to Italy. My wife would prefer Breckenridge to all others. She's an excellent skier. I'm a terrible skier.

Teddy Vandy

Don't know what I'm "giving" away - I'm generous to charities but other enterprises not so much. Speaking of Breckenridge, that is where I learned to ski many years ago but actually we prefer Keystone. It has far better trails and is more upscale. But I will admit we haven't been skiing for ages; don't like cold weather and especially don't like the Colorado climate any time of the year. Guess that's why we settled in Florida many years ago.

modvd

More upscale? You've obviously never been.

Teddy Vandy

You asked the question...since you didn't know about Keystone, obviously you've never been there.

Sk00ter

Remarking that his time had expired, Gowdy said he still feared that there was no precedent for criminal prosecution for future cases similar to Clinton.

"And my real fear is this, this is what [Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah)] touched upon, this double tracked justice system rightly or wrong hey perceived this country, that if you are a private in the Army and you email yourself classified information, you will be kicked out but if you are Hillary Clinton and you seek a promotion to commander-in-chief, you will not be," Gowdy concluded. "So what I hope you can do today is help the average person, the reasonable person you made reference to, the reasonable person understand, why she appears to be treated differently than the rest of us would be."


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modvd

This is a ridiculous statement by Gowdy. You can get kicked out of the Army for a variety of things that won't end in criminal prosecution. It's an apples to oranges comparison that appears to have it's origins in social media. Hillary Clinton does not belong to anything from which she could be kicked out of, unless you want to say the presidential race. Of course that would be and will be up to the voters.

Sk00ter

if I pulled a similar thing at my work, I would be fired!!!

modvd

Right. And you should be. But getting fired doesn't mean you get arrested.

Content

Sk00ter can't handle common sense.

Teddy Vandy

The law does not require "willful intent" , only "gross negligence", be shown as a violation of security laws. That is how FBI director Comey arrived at the determination. Perhaps "willful intent" is the red herring in this instance?

munchman

So when Gowdy Doody said the justice system was RIGHTLY or WRONG perceived as double tracked which was it RIGHT or WRONG? Perception is often a far cry from reality, unless you are looking through conservative kaleidoscope eyes.

Teddy Vandy

Trey Gowdy got FBI director, Comey to admit that Hillary LIED! Truth outweighs perception...every time! Comey is a fond acquaintance of the Clintons from long ago. Ya know...what are friends for????

jdw64485

Bad Water. Not sure where you are.. But I live in Savannah my water is okay. My water part of the bill was only $36.70. But you have to remember Sewer, Trash and other fee's add to the total.

modvd

Here are some interesting conclusions by the Rand Corp after having read a full, un-redacted version of the Iraq NIE....

CIA analysts were tasked to prepare a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE).78
They had just been embarrassed by missing the September 11 attacks. Now they were
faced with the Pentagon’s autonomous intelligence unit, to which the Vice President
was listening. Before the intelligence community rendered its official verdict, Cheney
was saying in August of 2002 that Saddam was pursuing a nuclear weapons program.79
Similarly, Rice told CNN: “We don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.”80
At the same time a series of leaks to The New York Times put this faulty intelligence on
the front pages.81 So while there was no effort by the intelligence community to falsify
evidence,82 all of the mistakes tilted in the same direction.83
The NIE was delivered in October 2002 and was considered by many as a warrant
for going to war. It concluded, with caveats, that the Iraqis possessed chemical
and biological weapons along with delivery systems and sought to reconstitute their
nuclear program.84 The body of the NIE contained several qualifiers that were dropped
in the executive summary. The fact that the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence
and Research disagreed with the conclusions was not highlighted.85 As the draft NIE
went up the intelligence chain of command, the conclusions were treated increasingly
definitively.86 Only the summary of the NIE was partially declassified, and it omitted
most of the reservations and nonconforming evidence.87 The fact that the NIE concluded
that there was no operational tie between Saddam and al Qaeda did not offset
this alarming assessment.88 A year later, a Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
report found that the NIE was wrong, that it overstated the case, that statements in it
were not supported, and that intelligence was mischaracterized.89
Apart from being influenced by policymakers’ desires, there were several other
reasons that the NIE was flawed. Evidence on mobile biological labs, aluminum tubing
for uranium enrichment, uranium ore purchases from Niger, and unmanned-aerialvehicle
delivery systems for WMDs all proved to be false. It was produced in a hurry.
Human intelligence was scarce and unreliable. While many pieces of evidence were
questionable, the magnitude of the questionable evidence had the effect of making the
170 Blinders, Blunders, and Wars: What America and China Can Learn
NIE more convincing and ominous. The basic case that Saddam had WMDs seemed
more plausible to analysts than the alternative case that he had destroyed them. And
analysts knew that Saddam had a history of deception, so evidence against Saddam’s
possession of WMDs was often seen as deception.90
The flawed NIE and associated press leaks had a profound impact on votes in
Congress and at the United Nations. At first the administration sought to avoid congressional
votes, arguing that they had adequate authority under the 1998 Iraq Liberation
Act. Then, under pressure from Powell, they shifted ground and pressed for an
immediate vote. Senators and congressmen and women did raise substantial questions
about the nature of the threat against the United States and the need for rapid congressional
action. Senator Robert Byrd and Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi in particular
questioned the urgency of the vote. Senators Richard Lugar, Paul Sarbanes, Chuck
Hagel, John Kerry, and Arlen Specter each asked a series of serious questions about
the nature of the charges against Saddam. Senators John McCain and Joe Biden and
House Majority Leader D ick Armey all questioned the thoroughness of intelligence
briefings they received.91 However, less than 10 percent of the Senate attended the floor
debate at any one time, causing Byrd to say that the chamber was “dreadfully silent.”92
The Republican-controlled House voted first, and then Senate Majority Leader
Tom Daschle announced that he would support the resolution on the grounds that it
was time for Americans to speak with one voice on the issue.93 In October, a congressional
resolution authorizing the President to use the armed forces of the United States
to defend against the threat posed by Iraq passed with 296 yea votes in the House and
77 yea votes in the Senate.94 All but one Republican senator voted for the resolution.
Many Democrats recalled that a majority of their party voted against Desert Storm,
to their regret, and they did not want to make that mistake again. Six Democrats who
ultimately ran for President in 2004 and 2008 voted for the resolution.95
At the United Nations, the United States negotiated with France and others for
eight weeks and on November 8 passed UN Security Council Resolution 1441 by a
vote of fifteen to zero. The resolution, backed by American intelligence, declared Iraq
to be in “material breach of cease fire terms” and gave Saddam a “final opportunity
to comply with its disarmament obligations.” But the resolution did not authorize “all
necessary means”—that is to say, force—to be used. U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte
agreed that another resolution would be necessary to authorize the United States
to invade Iraq.
Iraq agreed to the resolution and opened its doors to inspection teams led by
Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei, who declared Iraq devoid of WMDs and released
forty-three volumes of documentation to try to prove it.96 German Foreign Minister
Joschka Fischer argued that inspections were “moving in the right direction and
. . . they should have all the time which is needed.”97 Meanwhile, Under Secretary of
Defense Douglas Feith reportedly told his administration colleagues that inspections
were a hazard to the administration’s strategy and that they “cannot accept surren-
The U.S. Invasion of Iraq, 2003 171
der.”98 The inspectors were unable to find any WMDs. But Blix reported to the UN on
January 27 that Baghdad had not been forthcoming enough in its declarations.99 Later,
in 2004, the U.S. Iraqi Survey Group concluded that Iraq had unilaterally destroyed
its WMDs in 1991.100
Inspections were moving too slowly for the Bush team. The American military,
which had already begun to deploy forces to the region, was in position to invade, and
there was a narrowing window to attack before the weather became blisteringly hot.
In February 2003 Powell went to the UN with an intelligence brief based in large
part on the flawed NIE. He concluded that the Iraqis were “concealing their efforts
to produce more weapons of mass destruction.”101 Powell had made an extra effort to
personally verify details of his speech with Tenet, and Powell’s own intelligence team
pointed out several problems with the speech. But many errors nevertheless remained
in the text. Opposition to war was meanwhile mounting in Europe. Blair insisted on
a second UN Security Council resolution to bring his country along, but the French
feared that a resolution would just be a rubber stamp on a dubious U.S. case for war.
In March, when the French threatened to veto a second resolution, Bush dropped the
effort and gave Saddam a forty-eight-hour ultimatum to leave Iraq. With apparently
reliable intelligence that Saddam had been spotted on March 19, the attack began by
targeting him personally.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

Only six Senators read the NIE before the vote on the Iraq War Resolution, Hillary Clinton was not one of the six. She has claimed later she had "intelligence sources" that she trusted, but has never named them.

beelog

I have worked all of my life, paid taxes, stayed out of trouble, obeyed legal authority, and must pay for my own cell phone while my tax money pays for the cell phones of other people. What a country!

modvd

No, your tax money does not pay for a cell phone. Its a fee charged to phone customers. Not considered a tax.

Content

Poor you beelog.

okay

So find one that better suits your needs.

Teddy Vandy

Yea for PB okay's brilliant suggestion for better suited communication for those who don't wish to pay user fees! Perhaps we could start by going back to the pigeons? May the bird of paradise fly up your nose

munchman

Thank The Shrub for that phone program for it started during his regime. Check facts once in a while instead of parroting the lies of the cons.

Sk00ter

News Press - What is going on with the homicide on Dover?

Teddy Vandy

Destroying from within...

"Break classification rules for the public's benefit, and you could be exiled.
Do it for personal benefit, and you could be president"
- Edward Snowden

Teddy Vandy

Remember this? Don't ya just love Democrat standards...they really set the bar.

Colo

You mean like Republican War Criminals Bush & Cheney who Lied about WMDS & killed 5000 Americans?

beelog

Colo--how many times do we have to remind you that the Clinton's, Congress, and the CIA believed there were WMD's. There was NO lie, just misinformed intelligence. Let me ask, do you wish Saddam and his sons, with their atrocities, were still in power?

gimme_more

October 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members."

"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."

Sk00ter

Who's to say the WMD's weren't moved elsewhere?

Content

Yes, Trump will tell you that Saddam and his sons killed all the terrorists and kept things stable. Then along comes cowboy Bush and destabilizes the entire Middle East. Bush /Cheney lead the way in war mongering.

modvd

I'll answer that question. In a word, yes. Better's the devil you know.

Colo

Bush & Cheney Lied about WMDS by manipulating Intel. CONDI Rice basically admitted along with the fact that Cheney chose to ignore Intel that could have prevented 9/11

munchman

Did the Clintons, Congress or the CIA start that unnecessary war? Check your history. Congress did not declare war or stat it. The Shrub/Vader regime declared and started the war. All Congress did was pass a War Powers Act. As for President Clinton he was too smart to rush in like a bull in a China Shop and break everything so we had to buy it and are still paying for it today. As a side note T rump is so ignorant that he thinks Sadamn Hussein gassing Iraqi Kurds was a great thing. But then they were only middle eastern Brown People.

Colo

Lots of people "Thought" they Maybe had WMDS but ONLY War Criminals Bush & Cheney STARTED A MASSIVE LAND WAR. Those 2 Clowns Originally tried to blame Iraq for 9/11 that they Blundered

James Bond1

The "LIE" is residual and quite tiresome.........!

Colo

So is All the hate & sewage you spit out every day

socialfingered

Colonoscopy, the enemy killed those soldiers and they still have a higher regard for Bush and Cheney than they ever had for Obozo.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

Give 'em an ObamaPhone and an EBT card and they'll follow you anywhere.

modvd

What's an obamaphone?

Marty_Chuzzlewit

It's a free communication device for LIV's. Haven't you applied for yours?

Content

No such thing.

modvd

"Free??" Nothing is "free" Marty. Methinks you might be feelin' the Bern???

Marty_Chuzzlewit

The devices are distributed at no cost to the recipients thus "free" to them. Yes, those paying the extra fees on THEIR communication connections and taxes on their incomes know only too well there are costs involved and the ObamaPhone program is certainly is not "free" to them.

"To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." ...........Thomas Jefferson

How the Democrat Party has evolved, Jefferson wouldn't recognize it today.

Sk00ter

That's correct, modvd, nothing is free. The tax payers pay for it

Colo

What's an EBT?

modvd

No sk00ter, the tax payers don't pay for it. Phone users pay for it. It is a fee charged to those who have phone service. Fees are not the same as taxes.

jdw64485

modvd yes your right. It is a fee attached to a person cell phone bill. But why should I or anyone else provide someone with a phone. Call it a tax or a fee it still comes out of a tax payer pocket.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Need an ObamaPhone? Somebody with the ability to earn their own way in life will be tapped on the shoulder and told to pay for it......or else.

Sk00ter

OK, modvd, laughable, you call it what you want?

modvd

I don't know, jdw. You should have asked Reagan when the program got started or Bush when he expanded it to cell phones. Obama hasn't really touched the program at all.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

The Democrat LIV's think Obama pays for their "free" phone out of his "stash."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

modvd

Hahahaha! One ignorant person is the spokesperson for this whole thing??? That's hilarious!! How many "conservatives" (and I use that term loosely) believe in the "Obamaphone" because of the words of this one person??? Hahahahahahahaha!! She said "e'rebody in Cleveland got they Obamaphone..." and the whole of "conservative America" has decided that she was right! Oh my goodness!!

Marty_Chuzzlewit

She DID appear better educated and informed than the typical Democrat LIV so her description of her "free" phone can only be termed "anecdotal."

modvd

Marty, to you I'm sure she did.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

Maybe related to you?

Teddy Vandy

Quite possibly 'kissing cousins'...

Teddy Vandy

Feeling the "Bern"? Is that the same "Bern" that got booed by House Democrats the other day?

socialfingered

Ask yo mama

munchman

In your ignorance you have failed to give a accurate definition of what an "ObamaPhone" is and the legislation that made such a non-existing possible? You can't Dopey. Let me be the first to invite you back to the word of reality.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

"the legislation that made such a non-existing possible" was enacted by the non-existing Congress of Possum Trot and signed into law by non-existing President Jim Beam. And now you know how "the legislation that made such a non-existing
possible" came to non-exist. Now you are free to go occupy an adult book store or block a bridge.

James Bond1

I believe they meant "OBUMERPHONE "

Content

No JB, they know how to spell unlike you. Even at your age you can still learn.

Theodore Vanderbilt

Marty_Chuzzlewit.

"To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

Another false attribution that reverberates in the right wing echo chamber.. These words do not originate with Jefferson. Rather, they represent Jefferson's translation of Destutt de Tracy's Treatise on Political Economy. And there is no guarantee that Jefferson concurred with de Tracy or that either de Tracy or Jefferson intended the words in the way you are using them. In any case, you should distinguish between Jefferson's words and those of authors he has translated.

Here it is in the spurious quotations section at the Monticello website:

https://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/democracy-will-cease-exist-quotation


In the only known case in which Jefferson referred to these words, it was in a prospectus for the said book, something meant to entice potential readers to purchase it:

https://books.google.com/books?id=jrSgJGp-B64C&pg=PA466#v=onepage&q&f=false

Marty_Chuzzlewit

"I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious."

— Thomas Jefferson, Letter to William Ludlow (6 September 1824)

Today's parasites all have ObamaPhones and EBT cards, the loyal Democrat voter base.

Teddy Vandy

Theo Vander.

Shame on you for mooching on MODVD's coveted role as fact checker on this forum. However as scattered as your facts are regarding "did Jefferson say this/or was his quote related to this issue...let's just surmise that maybe MODVD doesn't have any need to worry about losing his job.

modvd

Hmmmm... I wonder if there will be any squawking about the lack of research that Marty did on this??? I won't hold my breath, Ted.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

So Jefferson was a plagiarist? Must be symptomatic with Democrats as Biden so ably carried on the tradition.

modvd

Did Jefferson use the quote as his own? Did he use the quote without attribution? If not, he's no plagiarist. However, technically, you are. Failure to properly attribute a quote is plagiarism, for what it's worth.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

"Did Jefferson use the quote as his own? Did he use the quote without attribution?"

Even TV states Jefferson used the words in promotional material thus giving them at least a degree of personal currency as seen in the other quotation where Jefferson refers to the welfare crowd at that time as "parasites," an apt description for the ObamaWorld leeches we feed, clothe and shelter today.

modvd

Remember this...? No. They don't.

beelog

Immigration---Trump and the Republican take a lot of heat for "being against poor immigrants". Thinking people realize they are not "anti-immigration", they are anti-illegal immigration. Every nation in the world has laws regarding immigration with stiff penalties for violations. Government's primary responsibility should be protection of its citizens, but our current leadership prefers to coddle illegals at the expense of our own citizens. Is it "compassionate" to place a heavy burden on our own people? Simply enforce our current immigration laws--take immigrants, just make sure they follow the legal process.

munchman

And you can forget being allowed in legally if you are Muslim if you think like T rump or the T rump troglodytes.

James Bond1

EXCELLENTLY.......a better nation.

beelog

Bearing the load---Congress repeatedly rewards poor behavior. Mismanagement of finances is not a problem since Congress will simply borrow more money to bail you out. They are only good at spending on the "no limit" credit card and sending the bill to the American people. When a day of reckoning comes, they will be out of office. It is our grandchildren who will feel the brunt of runaway spending.

beelog

Remember this--Unfortunately the professional politicians from both Parties have fashioned for themselves a nice little fraternal organization primarily designed to give themselves almost unlimited power and a reliable source of major income. All they need are a lot of "little people" they can dupe into putting them/keeping them in office. We are nowhere close to what the founding fathers visualized.

beelog

Bill Clinton---Billy Bob is all excited because Hillary promised to put him in charge of Foreign "Affairs". :)

Colo

Since Bill Clinton is the ONLY President since Eisenhower (the last Republican President to have a Budget Surplus) to have a Budget Surplus, he will be in charge of Economic decisions

Marty_Chuzzlewit

The National Debt INCREASED every year Clinton was POTUS, every year.

modvd

National debt and a budget surplus are two different things.

Content

Entirely different things.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

Thanks for re-stating the obvious.

Content

Clearly it wasn't to Marty_Chuzzlewit until it was pointed out.

Marty_Chuzzlewit

Echo, echo, echo, echo..............

Tan Gent

To all whom it may concern.

Let's do what is good for the echosystem!

beelog

Colo--So, are you then suggesting that Trump's business acumen, his financial success, uniquely qualifies him for the position of president?

Content

Nothing qualifies Trump to be president.

modvd

Well, nothing qualifies him more than what is outlined in the Constitution.

jdw64485

What qualifies Clinton to be President.?

Content

JDW - Experience, knowledge, New York Senator, Secretary of State. I hate to state the obvious.

Colo

No, his Bigotry, Racism, & little Knowledge on foreign policy. That along with his rabid temper, total Dishonesty, Fraud charges Disqualify him

modvd

jdw, Clinton is qualified by what is outlined in the Constitution, same as Trump, same as Obama, same as any other person who fits that specific criteria.

James Bond1

NOTHING qualified OBUMER and that turned out to be what he had to offer.....!

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