Casino concerned about going smoke-free

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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:45 pm | Updated: 10:00 am, Tue Feb 12, 2013.

The general manager of the St. Jo Frontier Casino says he expects the company's revenues to decline by 25 to 30 percent if it's forced to go smoke-free.

As is currently drafted, the casino gaming floor would be exempted from a proposed Clean Air ordinance. However, it’s been a topic of discussion in public hearings, with community members questioning why the casino would be excused, while bars and restaurants would be forced to impose a smoking ban.

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  • zip64506 posted at 6:28 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    zip64506 Posts: 12

    1st off let me say I am NOT for a smoking ban, I am a NON-SMOKER but I believe a business owner should have the choice.....

    With that being said, I think the city should GROW A PAIR and ban smoking on the casino floor also... If they are going to ram a smoking ban down our throats then the casino floor should be banned too. Fair is Fair, but regardless of what they say, the city doesn't want to loose money and that is the ONLY reason they are not going to require the ban on the casino floor.

  • zip64506 posted at 6:58 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    zip64506 Posts: 12

    I also find this funny, "Debra Bradley, director of the city health department, said the ordinance was drafted to exclude the casino in order for it to stay competitive."

    She's talking like a politician and not interested in health. (Afraid to speak out in fear of her job)

  • bdog4 posted at 7:34 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    bdog4 Posts: 156

    i used to smoke, but quit because of the pricegoinh up all the time mainly because of tax increases, i do not like thegovernments to continue to tell people what they can do and not to do this is supposed to be a free country we need less government and more freedom it is stupid to force people to quit something they like to do, and expect a person to go outside to smoke whenthe weather is 30 degrees or less or when it is 80 degrees or more, it like telling people who are obese to eat their fattening food out side, or those who have that terrible perfume to go outside, i say anyban on anything shoud be for everyone and every business, no exceptions, a ban is a ban banning a few and eximpting others is not right

  • bdog4 posted at 7:36 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    bdog4 Posts: 156

    forgive the poor typing, i was never a good typist, never had to be

  • nosoupforyou posted at 7:44 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    nosoupforyou Posts: 184

    Smoking is already illegal on the casino floor per existing State statutes and existing local codes. An ordinance that would be passed that would exclude exempt the casino from complying with the State statutes would be in violation of the State statutes. The casino ownership and management should have researched the statutes that they must comply with prior to buying the casino. They have obviously skirted the rules this long. What other rules are they willfully violating?

  • sylviam posted at 8:03 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    sylviam Posts: 9

    Right zip64506! If there is a ban, the Casino should be included also! You are right on the money! The other business'es will also lose money-so why should the Casino be exempt????? Of course other than the city,as you stated---

  • Content posted at 8:17 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    Content Posts: 12653

    Many people would go to the Boat/Casino if they did ban smoking there. The smoking is for many the reason the DO NOT go. They don't want to breath it, smell it or smell like it when they get home.

  • sylviam posted at 8:24 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    sylviam Posts: 9

    GREAT RESEARCH nosoupforyou!!! Hope the council reads that!!

  • Jlacea posted at 8:38 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    Jlacea Posts: 668

    I oppose a smoking ban , it should be the choice of the business owner ! If a person does not wish to eat in a restaraunt or any business, let that person go elsewhere. Non smokers rights are trampling smokers right . I thought a median had been found for both parties with restaraunts who had separate sections !!! Now even that is disappearing ! What right does a local government or even citizens who may or may not patronize a private business to tell the owner what can occur in the business ??
    Furthermore , as far as banning smoking at the casino , this is a lose , lose situation for St.Joseph ! They will lose smokers ! Evidence is what happened to our Bingo hall , the Firefighters in the old skating center. They had great crowds and played Bingo six days a week . Why don't someone ask what happened to the charities when they eliminated smoking there ? They are now down to two days per week since their ban took effect a few years ago . Even those two nights barely having business . NO SMOKING at Bingo has hurt local charities , why , what was the purpose . Those smokers now go to White Cloud to play Bingo .We drive 80 miles to smoke and play bingo. I guaruntee you , if you ban smoking at the local casino, smokers will go to Kansas City, they will go to White Cloud . Many gamblers are smokers. If you take away their ability to enjoy and derive pleasure as they gamble , they'll go out of town to gamble ! Banning smoking at the casino will lead to the loss of jobs and a loss of revenue.
    For all you smoker haters , smokers pay the taxes for SCHIPS , children's medical coverage, hope you are ready to fill the coffers when the smoking attacks force people to quit smoking !

  • TFurguson posted at 9:29 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    TFurguson Posts: 128

    -According to a Federal Reserve in 2009, casino revenues in Illinois fell 20% when smoking was banned and the casinos had to compete with smoking casinos.

    -The larger question would be; Could the casino survive with 20% to 30% less revenue?

    The overall economic impact to the city is much larger than just the $1.4 million in taxes. The casino is a larger employer here in St. Joseph, and the effect of a casino closure would be devastating to the employees and their families.

    I understand that a comprehensive ban sounds good at face value, but when you have to compete with several casinos within one hour of St. Joseph, it simply puts the casino at a competitive disadvantage, one that I do not know they could sustain.

  • TFurguson posted at 9:36 am on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    TFurguson Posts: 128

    Please note that the Illinois Casino Gaming Association is actually citing an unbiased government study that was performed in 2009.

    The study can be found at the St. Louis Federal Reserve website.

  • smartin posted at 12:17 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    smartin Posts: 230

    Which smoking allowed businesses are forcing people to go into them or to work for them? Who are the people who hate to be around smoke that insist on going to smoking allowed venues? Do they need their heads examined, or do they just like something to whine about? I am baffled that the Council allows itself to be pushed around like this. If the anti smokers want something on the ballot, they should be required to go door to door and collect signatures on a petition. Perhaps that is more "clean air" than these busybodies want to contend with? Is ANYONE from the Council going to tell them that if they have this much free time and money to mind other people's businesses, they probably are not doing their jobs down at the Health Department!

    John Wayne is roling over in his grave! The pasty faced school marms (some of them men!) have taken over the City!! Look out for them!

  • smartin posted at 12:27 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    smartin Posts: 230

    Yes, smoking bans kill casino revenue, just like they do small locally owned tavern revenue, and bingo revenue, and bowling revenue.
    That's why, as long as the State licenses the selling of all tobacco products, we simply want business owners to be allowed to CHOOSE whether to allow (no one is forced to allow smoking now) that activity or not in their adult only venues.
    (Funny to watch Koolaidrodo trying to blame ANYTHING but the ban!)
    (Note operators say loss could be double since they are handing out free fambling bucks to TRY and get people in!)

    I have hundreds more.

  • Content posted at 12:54 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    Content Posts: 12653


    What did John Wayne die from? Oh yeah, LUNG CANCER.

    I'll bet he would say like Yule Brenner said "Just don't smoke".

    They would both applaud a smoke ban!

  • smartin posted at 2:04 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    smartin Posts: 230

    Don't confuse smoking with second hand smoke bans, silly. Now, if the City wants to ban the SELLING of all tobacco, and the use of all tobacco, in St Joe, I'M FOR IT! Then they can change their business model, give up tobacco revenue, lose 20% of their residents, and be considered holier than thou. (If that's possible!)

  • Content posted at 3:48 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    Content Posts: 12653

    I'm not. It has worked every single place it has been done without any problem. And no one is claiming to be holier than thou. Just healthier.

  • Content posted at 3:49 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    Content Posts: 12653

    This all fall under "so what".

  • OhNoYouDidnt posted at 5:31 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    OhNoYouDidnt Posts: 53

    Me and my family will go to the Indian casino's if smoking is banned at St. Jo Frontier Casino so if it happen you can count on 30 of your regular customers going across the river. We have already change to other towns for our coffee clutch cause our favorite restraunt of over 20 years, Perkins, has gone smoke free. It's the principle of the thing. Smokers are American's and people too and they have rights. Don't see anyone banning sale of acholol and it kills more people and dystroys more lives and property then smoking. You just pickin' on smoking cause it doesn't bring in as much revenue as drinking booze. Unless the city is willing to ban everything that causes death and injury they need to stop being busy bodies and control freaks.

  • OhNoYouDidnt posted at 5:38 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    OhNoYouDidnt Posts: 53

    Kansas businesses love the St. city council, they are imporving their revenue...Way to to St. Joe .. LOLOLOL

  • OhNoYouDidnt posted at 5:46 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    OhNoYouDidnt Posts: 53

    So, Debra Bradley wants the casino's to stay competitive but not the restraunts and bars? Must be trying to run them out of business.

  • marbee posted at 5:53 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    marbee Posts: 20

    The smoking ban in Wisconsin is killing small mom and pop bars and restaurants. Downtown areas everywhere that people used to go to socialize look like ghost towns. They said it wouldn't hurt business. THEY LIED. They said the anti-smoker brigade would keep them open. THEY LIED. They never stepped foot in the door in the first place! The BULLIES won. AND FOR WHAT? The employees lost their jobs, some of them their homes. But hey, they're protected, even though many of them smoke themselves! WHAT A SCAM!

  • mntvernon posted at 8:19 pm on Mon, Feb 11, 2013.

    mntvernon Posts: 1

    Cut Content some slack, Smartin. He just wants you, me, & everyone to buy into the 'healthist cult' and be immortal. Just like this feller here:
    that went smoke-free, fat-free, etc.
    Oh, and Content, you might want to look into seeing someone about that nasty case of myopia because the demise of John Wayne may not have had a single cause or did his co-workers:

  • Steve Conroy posted at 6:41 am on Tue, Feb 12, 2013.

    Steve Conroy Posts: 273

    Ban ALL or Ban NONE, White Cloud is not that far away !!!

  • Gocubs posted at 12:48 pm on Tue, Feb 12, 2013.

    Gocubs Posts: 11

    I know an easy way to solve this. Don't force a ban on business, give them a choice. If a business is willing to go smoke free, then give them a tax incentive to do so. If they chose to stay smoking then they don't get the tax break. That will give both sides of the issue options on where to spend their money, either smoking or non smoking establishments. This way, non smokers will have additional options on where to get their entertainment and smokers will have theirs as well. Also, no business should be affected by the change. They may not have the same people, but should still have enough patrons to not affect their bottom line. In some cases it should increase it. I know some will balk at another tax incentive, but at least this will go to the smaller, locally owned business. The city has given enough breaks to get the larger corporations here by giving them a T.I.F, as well as a large, existing, Californian owned company to refurbish their establishment, only a few years after they had refurbished the property, but I'm not mentioning names (East Hills Mall).

  • 64507 posted at 8:57 am on Wed, Feb 13, 2013.

    64507 Posts: 4

    Socialism at its best. We are becoming just like the Russians.

    A bill to ban smoking in public places was passed overwhelmingly in Russia's lower house of parliament but must still be passed by the upper house and signed by President Vladimir Putin before becoming law.

    MOSCOW — Russia's lower house of parliament has overwhelmingly passed a bill that would ban smoking in public places, a contentious measure in a country with one of the highest smoking rates in the world.

    The ban has the backing of government leaders, who point to the hundreds of thousands of Russians who die of smoking-related illnesses every year.

    The bill was passed Tuesday by a vote of 441-1. It must be approved by the upper house and signed by President Vladimir Putin before becoming law.

    The ban on smoking in cafes, restaurants, universities and other public places would go into effect on June 1.

    Cigarettes are much cheaper in Russia than in the U.S. and Europe, with the price of a pack starting at about $1.

  • nosoupforyou posted at 3:44 pm on Wed, Feb 13, 2013.

    nosoupforyou Posts: 184

    I thought most people whined about the creation of low wage jobs as being inadequate??

  • nosoupforyou posted at 3:46 pm on Wed, Feb 13, 2013.

    nosoupforyou Posts: 184

    And no one forces anyone to work at any place either. So applying your logic, their should be no mandated safety regulations to protect employees. If you don't like the conditions, go work someplace else. Same thing goes for minimum wage, if you don't like the pay, go work someplace else.

  • sickofstjoe posted at 7:26 am on Thu, Feb 14, 2013.

    sickofstjoe Posts: 42

    If a smoking ban is going to affect a business there is something else wrong with the business. I do not smoke and cannot stand the smell of it so I avoid going to places that are smoke filled. If smokers want to poison their own body that's fine if a smoking ban is put in effect it will give non-smokers a chance to go places they haven't gone before but it still needs to be personal choice. The government needs to focus on more important things like putting americans back to work

  • OhNoYouDidnt posted at 9:55 am on Thu, Feb 14, 2013.

    OhNoYouDidnt Posts: 53

    I have partially agree with you. There are much more pressing issues the city council needs to address like: abandoned houses, potholes, over grown city owned lots, sewers's backing up in the streets, and many more. If a business owner wants to allow smoking or not should be up to the business owner. A place the size of St. Joe has enough businesses that there is room for smokers and non-smokers OR there should be. My mom died from lung cancer and she was NOT a smoker and was never around smokers. Dr.s said they had no idea what cause the lung cancer. Even non-smokers get it like some non- drinkers get liver problems.

  • Steve Conroy posted at 1:56 pm on Fri, Feb 15, 2013.

    Steve Conroy Posts: 273

    You are exactly right,,, what about the Other business' staying competitive,, Oh That's right, they don't get a Million Dollars a Year from the OTHER Business'.

  • Steve Conroy posted at 2:15 pm on Fri, Feb 15, 2013.

    Steve Conroy Posts: 273

    The increase in Non-Smokers going to the boat would Pale in comparison to the Mass Exodus toward the Indian establishments in Kansas, that being said, It would not affect me one way or the other, I have a big van and the people that I go to the Casino with can ALL pile in for a nice 30 minute ride West. People DO NOT go to the Casino because it benefits the City, they go there to have fun, which includes gamble, smoke, and drink. I am sure that any people who lose their jobs at our Casino can get hired at one of the Many Casinos in Kansas since they will become a lot busier..

  • Steve Conroy posted at 2:29 pm on Fri, Feb 15, 2013.

    Steve Conroy Posts: 273

    How much of a tax incentive would it take to make up for 25-50% Loss in Revenue?, I doubt that they could match the loss with a Tax incentive !

  • 64503 posted at 8:35 pm on Mon, Mar 18, 2013.

    64503 Posts: 484

    Has this lady heard or listened to what she has just said. Would this also not affect other businesses they are targetting? Would they be able ot remain competitive? The guy from the casino says they could lose 30% of their revenue would these other samll business owners not lose 30% or more of their business? Could they stay in business if they lost that much revenue?? No more then likely they would not. Which would result in people losing their jobs which is bad for the current economy and our local economy as well. If this passes I hope business owner do not comply with it and allow what they want in their businesses. Government had no business dictating ot private business owners period. And for all of you that are gonna come out of the woodwork and say what about healt hinspections and such this subject is a totally different beast then this. This is something that they should make the decision on and people should make the choice to work there or not and or people should make a choice to go to this business or not. Simply put.

    Debra Bradley, director of the city health department, said the ordinance was drafted to exclude the casino in order for it to stay competitive. She said the language written in the Clean Air ordinance mirrors that of other Missouri communities, including Kansas City.

  • cynthia posted at 7:25 am on Fri, Apr 11, 2014.

    cynthia Posts: 149

    I think it is a good decision, smoking should really be banned from such public places. These days the brick and mortar casinos are facing stiff competition from online casinos. In fact, now people even buy lottery tickets online. At, you can even find facilities like worldwide lotto subscription.


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