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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:51 am | Updated: 10:13 am, Mon Dec 17, 2012.

A waste disposal company made a surprising discovery Thursday morning, police said.

A driver with Deffenbaugh Disposal discovered a body among fire debris at 2015 Union St. during routine trash collection, said Capt. Janice Rothganger. The Fire Department had put out a fire at a garage there a week ago.

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20 comments:

  • VirgW posted at 8:12 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

    VirgW Posts: 1

    A fire chief that didn't survey a fire scene for bodies? That is kinda basic.
    Police that accidentally shot each other. Public safety records that don't get backed up routinely with a permanent loss of records.
    Wow, they do need a pay raise.

     
  • 64503 posted at 6:01 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    64503 Posts: 484

    OMG how do you miss a body?????? This should make us all fell warm and fuzzy inside knowing we could burn to death in our homes or garages and left lay there even after they put the fire out. quite possibly this person was alive and left lay there to die. Unbelieveable!!!!!

     
  • Tatoo posted at 8:27 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Tatoo Posts: 4

    So I guess the fire chief is saying we don't look for causalities unless we expect to find them. The chief investigator, Cordonnnier was promoted to that job with absolutely no training or experience and he is now in charge. Are these people actually professionals? I know the fire department only goes to 20 or so actual fires a year, so the don't get much experience, but this level of incompetence is amazing and demands investigation. Aren't there 40 firemen on duty and not one can look for bodies?

     
  • 64503 posted at 8:43 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    64503 Posts: 484


    Quote below from Fire Chief and yes it is your responsibility now I wonder how much this is gonna cost the tax payers when the family of the person found sues your hind ends. And right here in print you accepted responsibility. This is crazy how could you miss a body and the trash service worker found it right away upon arriving to collect trash?
    “The Fire Department accepts the responsibility, because it is our responsibility at fire scenes to find any victims,” said Fire Chief Mike Dalsing. “This was a location that would not normally have a person inside of it.

     
  • JohnQPublicSafety posted at 9:12 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    JohnQPublicSafety Posts: 60

    Gotta love armchair quarterbacking from folks with absolutely no experience in the profession. It isn't like this was a malicious oversight on the part of fire personnel. Keep in mind the information you have about this unfortunate loss of life is only what you see printed. The FD takes applications year round. I would suggest applying if citizens can do better or have more experience than the current staffing of firefighters and command staff!

     
  • NateG1940 posted at 9:54 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    NateG1940 Posts: 2

    JohnQ I worked for the city for many years. I remember many city meetings that a loudmouth firemen disrupted. Their bosses never tried to control them or reign them in. They always complained about there pay and how unfair they were treated and they were among the best paid workers in the city. It seemed to me firemen didn't have to do anything they didn't want to. They were supposed to help my group on occasion but if it was too hot, too cold, too windy they wouldn't come help. The water mangment had to buy a boat because the firemn wouldn't show up to help. Any time I had to go to a fire station the firemen were asleep in chairs durning the day, I guess they had to rest up to go to sleep at night. In this town firemen can do or not do anything they want. The get away with murder and this time they helped somebody get away with murder.

     
  • NateG1940 posted at 10:36 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    NateG1940 Posts: 2

    "Gotta love armchair quarterbacking from folks with absolutely no experience in the profession. "Quote from JohnQ.

    Neither does the top fireman investigatoer according to the other comment.

    We don't need experience to know how dumb your remark is.

     
  • Tatoo posted at 11:21 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Tatoo Posts: 4

    Hi Nate hope your are feeling better.
    Yes it is kinda a joke among city workers about how much firemen complain and how infrequently they actually have to go to emergencies. Try working at the street dept, you don't get to sleep in chairs or complain constantly.

    I do hope they find the person that did this.

     
  • Echo2 posted at 3:09 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Echo2 Posts: 4

    Working at the street dept must be pretty easy seeing how crappy our streets are. You can't be doing too much at work.

     
  • Echo2 posted at 3:21 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Echo2 Posts: 4

    I detect a hint of jealousy spewing out of Tatoo. He must have tried to be fireman but couldn't pass all the classes. Good thing it doesn't take an education to run a shovel. Firefighters responded to a call at my home and were very professional and did a wonderful job. Saved a family members life.

     
  • ThePeoplesChamps posted at 4:55 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    ThePeoplesChamps Posts: 2

    It's nice to see 2 current city employees tearing down fellow employees... hey isn't that slander? You are so quick to tear the firefighters down with an incident that hasn't even been confirmed by police that the body was there before or after yet, but you don't see the numerous good things they do just the one possible mistake. Who vares what they do while they wait on a call(which is more than 20 fires a year, I have seen the numbers dince its public knowledge) and comparing wages hourly to you sirs they are underpaid but show more money made since they work more hours at a time (do the math genius). How about we talk about 5 guys patching a pot hole that I have watched guy tamp while 4 stand and laugh and chat. There is no reason should be worried about their safety because a trashman probably digging through debris looking for who knows what found. Lighten up on the tar and feathering until answers come out... they aren't a pothole to be patched.

     
  • sickofstjoe posted at 4:59 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    sickofstjoe Posts: 42

    Do not put critize the firemen. They risk they lives every day rescueing from burning buildings. No evidence that the body they found was there at the time of the fire. Until you have walked in their shoes- shut up and don't critize them. You may need them to rescue you someday. Chances are the boyd was already dead and placed there.

     
  • slipmahoney posted at 5:04 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    slipmahoney Posts: 3

    Nate. You should know when to use the word there, their, or they're. Each word has a different meaning and use. It indicates to me why you may have been leaning on a shovel for so many years. Couldn't you find a pot hole to fill?

    I think I overheard one of the people at the Water plant say that the reason they got their own boat was because a few of them didn't like the ride. It had nothing to do with the FD refusing to help. I guess you are an ex city employee and a disgruntled one at that. Let's have a city wide vote to determine which department has the most respect among the citizens. The Fire Department will win hands down.

    As for the undiscovered body.......has anyone ever seen a burnt body? I am sure that many fire fighters have and I am equally sure that none of them would walk away from the scene of a fire knowing that a body was left behind. I guess there will never be a shortage of those willing to complain about what others do.

     
  • sickofstjoe posted at 5:04 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    sickofstjoe Posts: 42

    If you've ever watched the city crews, one is working and 6 or more are standing around running their mouths. The city hires prisoners from the prison to do the work of cutting grass, cleaning sewer drains and other dirty jobs instead of making their employees work.

     
  • Tatoo posted at 5:15 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Tatoo Posts: 4

    Nice to see the firefighters actually read. Since it is obvious they are now responding. This oversite/action is was so bad And by the way you guys are in fact always asleep anytime we come to one of the stations and disturb you for some water. Better go yell at your incompetent bosses about making you look even worse.

     
  • ThePeoplesChamps posted at 5:38 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    ThePeoplesChamps Posts: 2

    Tatoo how about you state your name instead of talking all this slander hiding behind your tatoo (tattoo would be correct spelling fyi)

     
  • Tatoo posted at 5:59 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Tatoo Posts: 4

    What that you guys sleep in chairs during the day? Or that you are very rude in city meetings, which I have seen too?

     
  • Echo2 posted at 8:03 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Echo2 Posts: 4

    Tatoo, I find it odd that we never hear or see any firmen being rude at any meeting or in the public. The media in this town must never witness this. Anytime I ever see a fireman, they are always in uniform and act very professional. I can't say that for the guys I see fixing our streets. Usually they are standing on the roadway with cut off shirts and they're butt cracks hangin out, smokin a cigarette. Why is it you must get water from the Fire Dept.? Do you not have the tools or knowledge to open a fire hydrant? I'm sure there are classes available in this town for you, Tatoo, to become a firefighter. This would end the jealousy.

     
  • Echo2 posted at 8:08 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    Echo2 Posts: 4

    Tatoo, you need to understand.....we, the citizens of this community, cherish our firefighters. They save lives and property everyday. They give so much back to the community through Local 77. I don't see this from the street dept. As a local business owner, I want to thank the firefighters for everything they do.

     
  • JohnQPublicSafety posted at 8:59 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

    JohnQPublicSafety Posts: 60

    I disagree that my thoughts are dumb, but I appreciate the response, nonetheless. Sounds like you are upset with the fire department and have been for awhile, which you are entitled to be I guess. I attended a lot of meetings in the past where fire fighters showed up begging the city not to close fire stations, not complaining about their pay although they still are underpaid for a city such as St. Joseph. I've also witnessed firefighters over the years living in fire stations with ceiling particles falling into their living quarters and riding on fire trucks so aged and out of date that their safety was compromised. This isn't the case now and you should be lucky. You find me a fire department in the US that doesn't have firefighters sleeping some during the day. Good luck with that. They work 24 hour shifts as other city employees work 8 or 10 hours regulars. If you've read the paper recently, there have been a lot of night time fires reported.

     

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