Council fails to pass smoking ordinance

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Posted: Monday, January 6, 2014 8:12 pm | Updated: 11:16 pm, Mon Jan 6, 2014.

The St. Joseph City Council failed to pass an indoor smoking ban that was brought forward by a community initiative petition.

The decision was made by a final vote on Monday. Councilman Gary Roach entered the only “yes” vote to pass the proposal as it was presented by Smoke-Free St. Joseph.

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  • pitty posted at 5:19 am on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    pitty Posts: 336

    Is this smoking ban for cigarettes only or cigars and pipe tobacco too? Will it ban smoking hemp in coffee shops when evidently it is finally legalized?

  • tundra95 posted at 7:49 am on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    tundra95 Posts: 411

    I am happy to see that the council will let the people decide.

    As to the casino, not informing smoke free, about their illegal or none enforceable clause....You all have said many times on here, that no one is helping you and you are smart eough to do this all on your own.... :)

  • WakeUpUS posted at 11:23 am on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    WakeUpUS Posts: 224

    How about giving us a choice by removing the toxic waste fluoride from our public drinking water? It's a long known fact that fluoride is a toxic by-product of potash fertilizer mining and would cost millions to dispose of if not for the spurious claim that it mildly helps protect your teeth, allowing society to be dumbed down while making big money for those pushing it. It has been banned in many other countries following studies exposing this scam...

  • smartin posted at 11:43 am on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    smartin Posts: 230

    Simple. Allow businesses who serve and hire only people over 18, the legal age to buy tobacco, the right to decide whether they want to allow smoking or not. This, of course, would save the casino AND the small locally owned businesses.

  • djackharry posted at 1:38 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    djackharry Posts: 17

    Ahh there is nothing like going into a smoke filled bar, restaurant, or casino. I don't have to spend money on cigarettes because I can breathe it in for free.

  • guitarguy posted at 2:29 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    guitarguy Posts: 181

    We actually do have that opportunity! I agree that fluoride should be removed. All that needs to happen is that a petition needs to be started, and get 2,190 signatures from registered voters in this city.

    Or... convince 5 of the 9 members of the city council to agree to either enact the change or send it to the voters.

  • Derringer47 posted at 3:52 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    Derringer47 Posts: 115

    How about not going to a smoking bar, restaurant, and/or Casino, you know you do have a choice since there are multiple non-smoking bars and also many of the restaurants don't even allow smoking anymore. I know that makes way too much sense though.....

  • guitarguy posted at 6:05 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    guitarguy Posts: 181

    Did anyone understand Jerry Riffel's unenforceable idea? It seems from his comments he thought the old wording was OK. But it also "puts the interests of St. Joseph into the hands of another municipality." I can understand his preference for one over the other, just not a legal difference.

  • Givemeliberty posted at 6:50 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

    Givemeliberty Posts: 23

    This issue is far from over. We must now continue to inform the public how important this issue is to the county and city revenue as well as retaining business owners rights.
    While we would be happy for the casino to retain it's smoking privileges, it is inherently unfair to the rest of the business owners in St. Joseph. In answer to the "other forms of tobacco use", all tobacco products, as well as electronic cigarettes, will be banned. And with smoking not allowed within 25 feet of a door, café and bar owners will be hard pressed to sustain "patio" business unless they have a very large area in which to expand and the funds to make that happen. However it is our position that as long as tobacco products are legal, the choice for business owners to have smoking or not have smoking should be left to them. People may then choose which establishments they wish to frequent. April 8th is an important date for the voters of St. Joseph. These revenues pay for our parkways, baseball fields, streets and other infrastructure. It is vital to vote no on the smoking ban.

  • pitty posted at 7:47 am on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    pitty Posts: 336

    Yes, please inform the public how important the "revenue" from gambling is to the county and city. Millions of dollars go the a casino corporation's profits from the pockets of thousands of citizens. This money, if "invested" in the community to sustain and develop a self-sufficient city, with the millions circulating within the county and increasing property values and attracting enterprises locally might help, but we seem intent on attracting a drive-thru highway city complete with all the cookie-cutter attractions that send money to outside corporations peddling fast food, gambling and sometimes rather unattractive jobs like herding pigs and prisoners and gamblers thru some elaborate fleecing system and throwing a bone or two into the municipality's coffer and calling that vital to the city's infrastructure and long term sustainability.

    Please inform the public how important it is to sustain a gambling corporation (with smoking), BUT what it COSTS the community in the process, i.e., the NET BENEFIT, not the small percentage of kickback from the millions taken from the citizens gambling down in the floodplain and calling that small slice of the pie essential to county and city revenues.

    Who are we trying to attract with this Vision of our proposed city-life "culture"? Squidbillies !?!


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