Casino concerns stymie smoking ban

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Posted: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 6:30 pm | Updated: 10:05 pm, Mon Dec 9, 2013.

The City Council voted Tuesday to completely remove a proposed smoking ban from its agenda.

After six months of debate, the issue appears to be snuffed, even after the City Council expressed its intent to take a comprehensive smoking ban to a vote of the people during the Nov. 5 election.

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  • smartin posted at 12:46 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    smartin Posts: 230

    The reaction is already rolling in, Mary, and it's very positive. Go peddle patches and bans with your own money, NOT our tax money!
    The "majority" of the people, according to YOUR OWN POLL, showed that over 67% of people do NOT support a smoking ban in bars. So the next year, you did the poll, you made sure to leave that question out! Also, in your own poll, you showed that the "majority" of people, "did not care if the place they went served alcohol". You reckon they were talking about a BAR?

    Please do keep up the fight for public health. Teen pregnancies, venereal diseases, underfed children, flu shots, checking for spoiled food in restaurants, teen violence, elderly depression. $300,000 in three years would have made a big difference in a lot of people's lives. Instead it was spent to lobby for a smoking ban in bars.
    I wonder what Jesus would have done with that money? I don't think he would have used it to lobby for the Ten Commandments, do you?

  • YorkCub posted at 12:47 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    YorkCub Posts: 2

    FINALLY the City Council did something right!!!!!!

  • YorkCub posted at 1:07 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    YorkCub Posts: 2

    I just read a article about the Revel Casino that was built in Atlantic City a year ago, and they were the ONLY Non-Smoking Casino/Hotel in New Jersey. As of yesterday (Monday), you can now smoke in the Casino. They were losing so much money to the other casinos being a Non-Smoking casino, that they realized to be competitive and make money, they had to have smoking.

  • 61155 posted at 3:56 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    61155 Posts: 37

    I feel about sugar the way some do about cigarettes ... or gambling ... or drinking. I wouldn't want a local (or state or national) ordinance telling me I can't buy my weekly bag of Jolly Ranchers to sate my addiction. But I do appreciate knowing the harmful effects so I can make my own choice to indulge, or not.

    I feel for staff and band members who may not have the option of smoke-free establishments wherein to work, and families will want to choose dining venues carefully. But I'm glad individual choice is still paramount.

    Besides, that extra million a year really does come in handy. We might even get some roads fixed as a result!

  • popski posted at 4:42 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    popski Posts: 1817

    Your eating sugar has no affect on me....yet smoking is harmful to those around the smoker. It's painfully apparent the Council is more worried about revenue and money than the health and well-being of the citizens.

  • Shirlee_K posted at 4:44 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Shirlee_K Posts: 818

    It was disgusting to watch the council allowing themselves to be bullied and threatened by the casino and then giving in to the arrogant thug representing it. St. Joe Proud indeed.

  • Shirlee_K posted at 5:23 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Shirlee_K Posts: 818

    Do you suppose that if entire states ban smoking it just might be a good idea whose time has come?

  • Munchkin posted at 5:43 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Munchkin Posts: 4289

    The council did the right thing ! It's about time. I bet if you asked the employees at the Casino , they'd tell you they'd rather breathe smoke than be unemployed . This Casino doesn't exactly have tremendous patronage as some of the Casinos in K.C. , a smoking ban here would devastate their business. I saw what a smoking ban did to local charity organizations who played weekly Bingo at the Firefighters Hall . Four different charities went belly up and Monday night and Saturday night bingo are close to going belly up. The benefactors of their smoking ban were White Cloud Casino and Golden Eagle Casino where you can play bingo six days a week and SMOKE. A smoking ban should be left up to the business owners not a hand full of temporary public servants and whatever happened to the notion of the individuals choice to enter a smoking atmosphere ?

  • socialfingered posted at 5:46 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    socialfingered Posts: 2060

    Don't choke on those sour grapes

  • socialfingered posted at 5:58 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    socialfingered Posts: 2060

    Instead maybe they "gave in" to the rights of free citizens to make up their own minds?

  • 64503 posted at 6:14 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    64503 Posts: 458

    Simply put all of you clean air people LOST deal with it and move on and let businesses and people make their choices in life not you and or your groups. The council the only reason they did this and lets not fool ourselves was not because of any other business it was simply about losing the revenue from the casino. But either way it is a victory for business owners to make their own decisions on what they allow in their businesses and do not allow without and government intrusion and your groups intrusion. Get a life and worry about yourself not everyone else. And I am sure the majority of your people in your group do not like governement intrusion into their lifes but you sure do not mind treading on the rights of others if it gets you what you want right!!!!!!. Go lobby the business and ask them to change their smoking policies not any form of governement where you intrude and tread on everyones rights.

  • jack13son posted at 6:14 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    jack13son Posts: 7

    Weren't the Clean Air folks crying when the Council was considering putting this ban on the ballot, demanding the city make a decision? Now it's not going to be on the ballot, and their supporters are whining about that (on their facebook page).

    Don't cry. It'll be okay. There are still plenty of non-smoking restaurants in this town you can go to and feel superior about yourselves; where you can puff your chest out and talk about how you're "going to vote out those poopyhead councilmembers" and how "stupid" the rest of St. Joseph is for not being as enlightened as you are. And next year, your organization will get more taxpayer money to throw away on this fool's errand all over again. So, chin up!

  • Shirlee_K posted at 6:26 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Shirlee_K Posts: 818

    Gloating is very unappealing and will not further your cause.

  • Shirlee_K posted at 6:32 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Shirlee_K Posts: 818

    The clean air people did not lose, St. Joseph lost.

  • Shirlee_K posted at 7:43 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Shirlee_K Posts: 818


  • tundra95 posted at 7:46 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    tundra95 Posts: 400

    To me this is not a "win" for property rights but a lesson on how the government has lost its way. They were fine telling others to do something that would cause them to lose money. But when the greed of one side, decided to drag the casino into this mess and city would lose money, the picture changed.
    The lesson here, for the city and smokers, is be aware of how your actions effect those around you.

  • Steve Conroy posted at 7:53 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Steve Conroy Posts: 252

    Way to go City Council for keeping politics OUT of Private Business. I seen a story on the News Last night about a group of people up on Messanie street, trying to feed Hungry children for the summer and just Wonder How many More could have Eaten on the $300,000.00 that was wasted on this Totally Crazy attempt to dictate to PRIVATE Business', To ME that is Sad. I would bet Money, Marbles, and Chalk that during this attempt that Not ONE of you missed a meal, where in the Heck are our Priorities People ?

  • Munchkin posted at 8:04 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Munchkin Posts: 4289

    Tundra , prove it . It's funny how even OSHA dropped a petition to ban smoking in all inside work areas . The reason , there has never been credible scientific evidence that second hand smoke is a Carcinogen . Just because I inhale a cigarette , doesn't mean the chemicals are exhaled in the smoke. Stuff that in your pipe and toke it.

  • TFurguson posted at 8:13 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    TFurguson Posts: 127

    "Not"? Really?


  • TFurguson posted at 8:17 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    TFurguson Posts: 127

    Clean Air St. Joe lost because they convinced everyone that the casino had to be included in the ban. There is not one other city in the state that would have had the ban that was proposed.

    Clean Air St. Joe also said a couple months ago, that this is entirely within the purview of council to decide this issue, they did.

  • Skew posted at 8:23 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Skew Posts: 81

    The city council did the right thing. we do not need more laws. Less will do!

  • falcon46 posted at 9:57 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    falcon46 Posts: 293

    I understand council members will not be available for interviews for the next couple of weeks. They are working on th3eir new book, "Profiles in Courage."

  • damselinadress12 posted at 12:24 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    damselinadress12 Posts: 2

    I would like to see compromise! Why not have an incentive for a company to invest in better ventilation systems and even be more considerate of how they design seating. I would love to see a few areas that are smoke free on the boat. I don't mind considerate smokers that ask if it's okay, and then blow the smoke away from me. It would be nice if the casino and other places that allow smoking to consider their patrons who don't smoke as well as the smokers. This issue is not simple, but everyone wants it to be.

  • djackharry posted at 3:24 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    djackharry Posts: 17

    I drink a 30 pack a day, I smoke 2 packs a day and I eat 3 meals a day all at my home while working my job. Nobody is going to tell me what's what.


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